Talk:Kamuiyaki ware

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Established romanization conventions for various Amami dialects

Ryulong (talk · contribs) is posting a false accusation around Wikipedia: I made up my own romanization scheme[1][2][3]. I have no idea why he is so confident. He must realize the existence of unknown unknowns, in order to stop damaging Wikipedia. Maybe I need to recall Hanlon's razor, but being extraordinarily stupid is almost malicious.

Of course, it is an established linguistic convention to use ï (and ë) for vowels of various Amami dialects that cannot be found in Standard Japanese. And they correspond to kana ウィ and ウェ respectively. An example available online is [4]. If you need an English source, check Moriyo Shimabukuro's The Accentual History of the Japanese and Ryukyuan Languages (2007), for example.

Ryulong added weird spelling kamwiyaki to the article[5]. The Web is now tainted by Ryulong's use of the spelling, but at the time of his edit, there seem to have only two sites used the weird spelling. Both sites are based on Okinawan information. Obviously, they are unaware of vowels Okinawan dialects does not have. --Nanshu (talk) 11:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You have one source that shows that with IPA ï and ë are used to represent the additional vowel sounds found in Amami. This does not change the fact that I found "kamwiyaki" was in use. Certainly none that say "kamïyaki" other than every Wikipedia mirror copying the content you wrote.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kamuiyaki was named after a pond

This article was moved from "Kamuiyaki" to "Kamui ware" in 2016 by Gryffindor (talk · contribs). I propose to move back to "Kamuiyaki", or alternatively move to "Kamuiyaki ware". The latter is analogous to the "addition format", one of two formats for translating Japanese geographical names.[6]

Kamuiyaki was named after a pond (亀焼池) on Tokunoshima around which the first kiln sites were discovered. In other words, Kamuiyaki is a place name. Despite the transparent etymology, it is a single unit that resists further division. --Nanshu (talk) 03:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moved. --Nanshu (talk) 16:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese name

Gryffindor (talk · contribs) changed the Japanese name from カムィヤキ to カムィ焼.[7] However, the discoverers keep using the former (see Yotsumoto (2008)) and most scholars respect their choice (see papers cited in this article).

As far as I know, the Okinawa-based archaeologist Asato Susumu is the sole exception. He used 亀焼 in a number of papers. If I remember correctly, he complained that he cannot pronounce Tokunoshima /ï/, which is symptomatic of Okinawa-centrism. Unfortunately, I cannot locate the paper in question now. In a 2013 paper, however, he switched to カムィヤキ.[8] Probably reviewers were unhappy with his choice. --Nanshu (talk) 03:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected. --Nanshu (talk) 16:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]