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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 01:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Barack Obama and Kamala were both euthanized?

Source: https://www.goupstate.com/story/news/2018/09/14/horse-named-barack-obama-euthanized-at-world-equestrian-games/10274313007/, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kamala-elephant-death-election-social-media-b2641616.html

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stuff Matters, Template:Did you know nominations/The Catholic Spirit
Comment: I don't know what the procedure is for this, but I want to merge the Kamala (elephant) DYK into the Obama horse DYK which was already approved for April fools.

Created by Di (they-them) (talk) and Chaotic Enby (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 27 past nominations.

Di (they-them) (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Barack's DYKN should be reopened and this hook should be proposed there, which I will do shortly. charlotte ^👸♥📱 04:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notable?

This seems to be an elephant WP:BIO1E, added notability tag. Its single source as to the trivial coincidence and all other sources cover the single non-notable event in a non-notable elephant's life. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BIO1E does not apply to non-humans. For an elephant, we use WP:GNG, which she passes. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fails WP:EVENTCRITERIA #4 - a routine kind of news event with a claimed viral phenomena, and the WP:GNG counter - WP:NOT § NEWS, reported death of an elephant. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 00:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EVENTCRITERIA applies to events, not to animals. Kamala the elephant is not an event, she is an individually notable animal. The elephant's death gained her mainstream coverage, but that doesn't mean that she and her death are the same subject. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of the sources are from the same date, cover a single event, seem to be repeats of the same Smithsonian's National Zoo release, and all are about the same subject ---> an elephant was euthanized. So its WP:EVENTCRITERIA #4 - Routine kind of news event ... tragic or widely reported at the time ----- not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this discussion. Multiple users think that the subject has lasting notability. There doesn't seem to be any disagreement apart from one user. Di (they-them) (talk) 18:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions re: guidelines are not votes. You have to give a rational on how something meets a guideline. In this case is this elephant notable outside a single event. It has to be beyond the elephant being bought or sold or transferred or advertised as being at a certain zoo, every elephant has that level of notability and Wikipedia does not cover every elephant. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 18:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia doesn't cover every elephant but it can cover ones that have sustained coverage like this one. You are the only one who thinks that the sources aren't enough to pass GNG. There is clear consensus against your position. Move on. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One editor saw it as questionable, and no further sources other than "run of the mill life of an elephant" are put forward. I would recommend leaving the tag up since it alerts other editors as to the need for sources (and maybe they will find them). Otherwise the article can be taken to AfD. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

There are currently nine sources that establish notability. Just because you don't like it doesn't make them all invalid. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a hint, number of sources does not indicate encyclopedic content, it has to push past non-routine coverage. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 18:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which it does. Most elephants don't get coverage like this. Di (they-them) (talk) 19:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]