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Banu Kalb

This is about the same tribe. we have two articles for the same thing.--SharabSalam (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, this article is about the modern Alawite clan in Syria. The other article is about a pre-modern tribe in Arabia with a co-incidence in the name. I don’t believe there’s any evidence of a connection. Do you have any? Be wary of folk histories where modern groups claim descent from earlier peoples based on dubious claims. DeCausa (talk) 06:51, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DeCausa yes, [1].--SharabSalam (talk) 08:55, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We basically have two articles for the same topic. It's probably because people here are not very well-informed about history and Arabs in general.--SharabSalam (talk) 08:58, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No it’s not. It’s because no reliable sources make the claim that they are the same. Obviously, Kalbiyya and Banu Kalb are etymologically related but that doesn’t mean that the Alawite Clan are the same as the medieval tribe. A couple of sources refer to the Alawite clan as Banu Kalb (not many though - you found one) and some sources refer to individual members of the medieval tribe as Kalbiyya. But that is very different from saying that the Alawite clan and the medieval tribe is actually the same - no reliable source says that. Linking the two is a kind of Folk etymology, not supported by historial research. We don’t have one article for Georgians, Georgians and Georgians. DeCausa (talk) 13:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now added text sourced to Stefan Winter (historian) saying the name "may originally have invoked a link" to the Banu Kalb. DeCausa (talk) 10:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]