Talk:Kabuki dance

This article was nominated for deletion on 29 April 2012 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

It's "kabuki theater".

The page title needs to be changed to "kabuki theater". Or maybe "kabuki (theater)".

Nobody uses the term "kabuki dance". Here's a Google News search for "kabuki theater". Note the double quotes - right now it has "about 4,730 results".

I won't be the one to try to make the change. I have better things to do the fight endless edit wars. I'm dead certain there's at least one person reading this who will fight to the death to keep the silly "kabuki dance" title.

Hopefully, another person - you brave man (or woman) reading this - are full of energy and are ready to jump into the breach and make the change.

AllThatJazz2012 (talk) 04:59, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this racist footnote into Political Theatre page

This is an outdated, racist term^[1] that would be better as a footnote or small section in political theatre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.249.171.35 (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "https://slate.com/human-interest/2010/04/it-s-time-for-pundits-to-stop-using-the-word-kabuki.html". {{cite web}}: External link in |title= (help)

@172.249.171.35 so just because Slate magazine, a decidedly Left-wing publication, says a term is racist, it is racist? If this is now the burden of proof acceptable to Wikipedians for declaring language racist, there is a lot more wrong with this website than I thought.

Heck, by 172.249.171.35's logic, why isn't Slate's use of the term "seppukutime" racist?

The more we call things "racist," the less the term means, and the more often it is simply ignored, until it ceases to have any significance at all. Tpkatsa (talk) 21:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite and move?

What shall be done with this article? As the comments above note, Kabuki dance may not be the best title – either because other terms are used, or because this one is deemed racist. Moreover, it is not clear whether the article should be about the phrase (see WP:WORDISSUBJECT), or about the political actions that it refers to.

There is currently no other article specifically about political acts that are deemed hollow or only for pretense. 'Political posturing' redirects here. The article formerly at 'Political theatre' is now at Political drama, and it treats a type of theatrical work, not a type of political discourse. Political theater is currently a disambiguation page.

During the 2012 AfD, some commenters noted that the word kabuki is about equally likely, in the US at least, to refer to political posturing or to Kabuki (歌舞伎), and argued to therefore keep this article. Others argued that the word is not notable as a word, and therefore the content should be deleted or sent to Wiktionary:kabuki. The discussion ended without consensus.

So, what should be done? I propose that (1) the article should be re-written to describe political posturing primarily, with description of this word and its US political usage as one subsection; and (2) the page should be moved to Political posturing over the current redirect. @AllThatJazz2012, Kintetsubuffalo, Anarchangel, Kendrick7, Andreas Philopater, Bearian, and Sandstein: Are there other suggestions? Cnilep (talk) 02:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why I've been tagged (I don't recall editing or even reading this article at all) but I think that's a very sound suggestion. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 09:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I pinged everyone who made suggestions at WP:Articles for deletion/Kabuki dance. Apologies if this is not of particular interest. Cnilep (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a draft at Draft:Political posturing. Cnilep (talk) 03:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with the consensus. Bearian (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved Political posturing from Articles for Creation to mainspace. It is a commonly used expression so entirely suitable for a Wikipedia article. Sionk (talk) 13:12, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Draft:Political posturing into Kabuki dance

Draft and article are on same topic, and have overlapping but different content and can be folded together. No comment as to which title is more appropriate. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:11, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: In a sense, this is already done. I copied the cited content from 'Kabuki dance' to start 'Draft:Political posturing'. This is noted on Draft talk:Political posturing. In my opinion, 'Political posturing' is the better title, as I argue above. Cnilep (talk) 07:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Political posturing is the better title, as the draft also includes an academic analysis of political posturing, whereas this article only deals with the term "kabuki". I don't know what the policy is on which article should be merged into which one, but the I would prefer the draft to be published and kabuki dance to redirect to it, given that it is more comprehensive. 15 (talk) 11:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (BTW I've moved Draft:Political posturing to main article space) on the basis Political posturing is a more widely used phrase for the phenomenon. I see no reason why an article about Kabuki dance cannot be retained (and the section in Political posturing be reduced in size). Sionk (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge of Kabuki dance into Political posturing#Kabuki on the grounds of both short text and context. There is also duplication (alluded to by Cnilep), and as a synonym I think that Kabuki dance is best covered on the same page. Klbrain (talk) 03:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 10:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "https://slate.com/human-interest/2010/04/it-s-time-for-pundits-to-stop-using-the-word-kabuki.html". {{cite web}}: External link in |title= (help)

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