Talk:Kaʻiulani/Archive 3

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Hawaiian pronunciation

I wrote it as this: kə'ʔi.u.'lɐni based on my own reading of Help:IPA/Hawaiian. See Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2020 June 25#Writing out pronunciation for further discussion. wikt:Kaʻiulani is the wrong pronunciation. If there is a better way of writing it out or a mistake was made, please make a note of it. KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Additional sources

• "Kaiulani's Gay Chatter". The Sun. New York. October 24, 1897. p. 5. Retrieved December 2, 2020.

KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I love riding, driving, swimming, dancing and cycling. Really, I'm sure I was a seal in another world because I am so fond of the water. I'd rather be in it than on it, though, because the ocean didn't treat me well when I was coming over last week, and I rather dread the voyage from San Francisco home. My mother taught me to swim almost before I knew how to walk. She was a magnificent swimmer, and the best dancer in our country. She taught me to dance, too, and how I love it! I am looking forward to some fine old times in the water when I get home, because our place in Honolulu is less than an eight of a mile from the sea.

Need to replace unreliable source

KAVEBEAR you need to replace the source.(Boal) Surfing Yearbook It's not a reliable source, as it states Kaiulani's full name was "Malika Dudley Kaiulani" It credits its source as Kristin Zambruka. I don't have access to the Zambruka books, but if Surfing Yearbook has made such an obvious error on Kaiulani's name, we can't trust the rest of what it states. — Maile (talk) 19:28, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

It is a reliable source, coming from here: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64469881/honolulu-star-bulletin/ . I can replace it with this. But I don't know why they combined Malika Dudley with Kaiulani in the book. The way it is written. It seems Kristin Zambucka was interviewed for the article not that the quotes come from her books. KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, use the honolulu-star-bulletin source - that one looks good. — Maile (talk) 20:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Daily Mail reference at Kaʻiulani

Hi. The Daily Mail you added at Kaʻiulani needs to be removed or replaced. It is not a reliable source. See WP:DAILYMAIL. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Moving this here. In this case, this is actually a dumb policy given the story is of legitimate historic importance because it is a new discovery in a chapter of surfing history. Is there any room for Wikipedia:Ignore all rules? I cited the museum's own website but it was influenced by the DailyMail article which was the first publication to break the story. KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Added Times article for information. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

RLS and his words to Will Hicok Low

KAVEBEAR

I have no idea what RLS meant by the term "Republican" here:

"If you want to cease to be Republican, see my little Kaiulani..."

Neither RLS nor artist Low seem to have been active in American politics. And even if they had been, I have no idea where the Republican party in America was in at the end of the 19th century, or whenever that was written. If this was some reference to a philosophy, I still don't get it. We need to clarify it for the reader, or reword that so "Republican" isn't there.— Maile (talk) 00:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Republican meaning anti-monarchist, advocate of republican forms of government. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Ah ... is there a Wikipedia article we can link for that term? — Maile (talk) 00:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Linked Republicanism. KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:42, 3 December 2020 (UTC)