Talk:KFYI/GA1
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Reviewer: Kusma (talk · contribs) 11:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Will review this over the next few days. —Kusma (talk) 11:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Sorry about the slow start...
- Images are appropriately licensed and relevant.
- Stable.
- Well-formatted references, reasonable use of short footnotes.
- Broadness/focus: it is a bit history-heavy, and there is comparatively little about the present.
- Some uncited sentences.
- Generally well written and nicely formatted; some comments below.
- Sources are fine. Spot checks show that the sources support the statements and do not show close paraphrasing.
- Not copyvio.
Well researched and written article. Putting on hold so some mostly minor issues can be addressed. —Kusma (talk) 15:15, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
@Kusma: I have addressed all of these issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:04, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: I am happy with most things now (and I accept your argument for keeping the section about the present so short because it is apparently the most boring time in the history of the station). One exception is the two hatnotes, the one at the top and the one in the KGME section. If the station that is now called KGME was called KFYI from 1985 to 2000, shouldn't that be mentioned in the top hatnote? In both places, something like "for the station called KFYI between 1985 and 2000, see KGME" would be clearer than "the history of KFYI at 910 kHz", because it isn't clear whether that is the history of the entity currently called KFYI or the history of the entity that used to be called KFYI.
- The other issue is that I forgot to look at the infobox, and wanted to check what the source of the information in there is. A few things are mentioned only in lead and infobox and not cited in either place. —Kusma (talk) 21:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Kusma: Let me respond to each of these in turn. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- A radio station call sign can wind up in a lot of places, and some call signs have very tortuous histories. It so happens that only three separate stations (facilities) have used the call letters KFYI in the last 40 years: this one, Phoenix 910, and the one in Oakland. Some pages could have four or five hatnotes if we weren't judicious or put in dabpages. In fact, the lead already indicates that KFYI was on 910:
Since 2000, this station has featured the KFYI calls and talk format—which had previously originated on 910 AM—after a second intellectual property swap.
I feel that the positioning of the hatnotes where I have them makes the most sense. We introduce KFYI and its history when KFYI—call sign, programming, and format—"moves" to 550. Now, at KOY, where people may be more likely to be looking for the history at 550, the hatnote pointing to this page is at the top, but that's not the case. The Oakland hatnote is at the top because it's not otherwise discussed in text. We have pages with confusing histories on the call sign-titled side of this field, in ways that a common name-titled page elsewhere in the world does not have to worry about. - Technical information is cited to the FCC facility record (I'd say to click the "LMS" link below and then the "Facility Technical Data" tab, but LMS does not want to pull it up; the studio info is easier accessed by clicking the "Profile" link above it). I've heard several times now at GA a desire to have a citation for this, but that's just not how this field has rolled for current stations. The AM Query link can be used to verify this information.
- Well, I'll just bow to your authority here. I find it baffling that these (continuously existing) stations do not have names separate from their (changing) call signs, and then even re-use those call signs for different stations, but there's probably no way to fix that without changing the real world. For the infobox, having a link explicitly declared as "source" (perhaps a dedicated field in the infobox) would help, but I don't have enough interest in infoboxen to insist. Thank you for clarifying the other hatnote, I will promote this now. —Kusma (talk) 09:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Content and prose review
[edit]- Lead: will discuss later.
- History: do we know anything about Earl A. Nielsen?
- Was able to add a bit. He came from Kansas City and, after selling KOY, moved to Hawaii where he was a territorial legislator.
- For the time capsule source, the archive probably doesn't include the video (at least it doesn't work for me), but fortunately the blurb also includes the claim.
the first broadcasting tests in the Salt River Valley
source doesn't have a "the". Would suggestits "first broadcasting tests in the Salt River Valley"to clarify that the source doesn't claim no other company tested things before then.
- I suspect this is a style thing with the newspaper. There definitely is an implied "the", so I've left it but outside the quotes.
stations in a given region to devise timesharing agreements
this kind of clause usually better with verb
- Yeah, that's a Thomas White special
As was typical for many radio stations in the 1920s and 1930s
happy to believe this but it's not in the sources cited; by a strict reading this looks like OR.
- Removed.
$70,000 building
I assume 1927 dollars? Consider inflating unless you don't like that.
- Done.
- explain in three words what General Order 40 is?
- Done (though it was already linked).
- The sporting goods division comes a bit from nowhere.
- It kind of does in the historical record, too. There's no mention of them expanding prior to opening the store in 1927.
Burridge Butler's ownership
he hasn't been introduced yet. What did he own? As far as we are told, the station is currently owned by Salt River Broadcasting Company.
- Fixed.
In exchange, KOY picked up the Mutual–Don Lee hookup previously held by KOOL
(a) what's the source for this? (b) what is a mutual Don Lee hookup?
- Added a citation, which I somehow could not find before. Both of the articles are linked. The short of it is that the Mutual Broadcasting System, a national radio network, was basically affiliated with Don Lee Network on the West Coast, and Mutual depended on Don Lee for its access to markets out west. (Note that the Broadcasting article I've added here also renders it "Mutual–Don Lee" for this reason)
Jack Williams's popularity on the air was also evident. In addition to his duties as program director, he was also a popular on-air personality
maybe cut the "evident" and not use "popular" twice in so quick succession?
- Fixed
- Could it be worth mentioning Jack Williams's political party here?
- Hmm, I dunno — honestly, it's not that relevant here?
excessive signal overlap with KTUC in Tucson
why would that kill this sale but not the following one?
- Cote owned KTUC. I've mentioned that.
a beautiful music station
Link Beautiful music for those who are (like me) unaware that this means easy listening. I was wondering whether you were talking about a beautiful station playing music or a station playing "beautiful" (in whose opinion?) music.
- Done
Edens purchased all nine of its stations
Edens personally or his company under his leadership?
- Edens personally
Edens Phoenix stations
so it was personally?
- The thing about Edens was that he ran the show from Phoenix, so he likely made the call, but I've reworded this as "Edens Broadcasting"
In 1999, so that AMFM (the renamed Chancellor) could acquire more Phoenix stations, KGME (1360 AM), a sports talk station, was sold off.
Who sold what to whom and was that the buyer the person who wanted to acquire more Phoenix stations? Was there any benefit to the seller?
- Welcome to the late 90s. The radio M&A market ran about as hot as ever from 1996 to 2000.
For the history of KFYI prior to 2000, see KGME.
Er. Haven't I just read about the history of KFYI before 2000? Or do you mean something else?
- The "KFYI" brand had been used in Phoenix on 910 from the mid-1980s. That article needs to mention that a bit more—a lot of the Phoenix radio articles we have suffer from the same underreferenced problem, and I've been improving them. (Some stations went through a lot of identities: read the article about the current KOY at 1230!) I've made the hatnote clearer to indicate that the article at KGME contains history on "KFYI" from 1985 to 2000.
Later that year, Clear Channel Communications, predecessor to iHeartMedia, merged with AMFM, selling off four of Chancellor's FM stations
can you simplify this? so many companies...
- I've given it a go.
Because Arizona does not observe daylight saving time, syndicated programs air on a one-hour recorded delay from mid-March to early November, so they can be heard in their usual time slots on KFYI.
source? and what is their "usual time slot" (different depending on time zone, isn't it?)? Or do you just mean they air on KFYI at the same AZ time year round, although that means they are not live sometimes.
- The latter interpretation of this sentence (which was added after I nominated the page for GAN) is correct. I've found a related reference and reworded this sentence. This practice in re: KFYI predates the move to 550.
- The History section is a bit very long compared to the very short KFYI/Programming bit about the current station.
- This is to be expected when KFYI's schedule has lots of syndicated hosts that only need namechecking.
Will look at lead and comment on other criteria in a bit. —Kusma (talk) 14:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Lead: This is mostly about the current station, which isn't what the article is about. I'd be happier if there was a section about the current transmitters and studios.
- The first and last blocks of the lead covers the current facilities, and the middle two cover the historical aspect.