Talk:KCOY-TV

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Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material

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News Channel edit war

I have watched an IP and an experienced editor war over the inclusion of the wikilink to News Channel. My 2¢. While it is a poorly sourced article being linked to, it is appropriate to link under a slogan because the article is a discussion about other stations USING that slogan in their promotion. Its as appropriate in this article as another station calling themselves Eyewitness News. I'm not sure why the MOS would prevent such an appropriate wiki link. Before you revert this edit again, use this space to explain. Trackinfo (talk) 02:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Under the principle that the title itself does not contain a wikilink, it is inappropriate to have one here. If that were a link to an article about the specific KCOY-TV article (like News Channel (KCOY-TV show)), then it would make sense. But its the same reason why we would never link news in a title or quotation--that link is not a part of the title itself, so adding the link is changing the actual title. This general principle is that we want minimal change in quotations; a title is essentially the "quotation" of part of the show. However, I'd be happy to raise the issue on WT:MOS, if you like. Please note that I was not "throwing my weight around"; instead, I'm doing the same thing every other editor is supposed to do when they see something that is incorrect, doesn't match our formatting guidelines, needs more info, whatever--I tried to fix it. Had you approached me on the subject at any time, like you did here, I would have responded (assuming I saw the post; I do miss things on occasion). Do you wish to raise this issue at MOS? Note that should consensus say that the links are fine, I'll revert myself. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are stretching the bounds to label a slogan as a quote, in order to qualify your edits under the section of MOS. What this wikilink does is connect this single TV station to the mass usage of a particular slogan. I'm sure there could or should be an article about the incestuous and repetitive use (or complete lack of originality within the broadcasting business) of such slogans, but the currently uncontested point (since I don't know this, I won't call it a fact yet) is that this and many other stations did use the slogan (not a quote). The linked article shows the mass usage of this slogan. Somebody put some work into this. From what I read, its not a hoax or a misstatement of facts. Within the bounds of my knowledge as a professional in this business, its accurate. So you are stretching the definition to place this under the MOS, then using that MOS to repeatedly hide this information. That seems more like you instituting your POV into what the world is allowed to know. Uh, that's a bad thing. Trackinfo (talk) 04:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I answered the basic idea on my talk page; I'll raise it at WT:MOS later, as it may well be that my interpretation is wrong. In fact, I don't even care if you add it back in now while we're discussing the issue. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Station slogans

Since Trackinfo insists that the slogans are accurate, I have stopped reverting. Instead, I have tagged the section as needing references. In a while (a few weeks at a minimum, could be longer if I don't remember), anything that isn't sourced will be removed per WP:V. Especially for slogans from the 80s, we simply must have verification that these were the actual slogans used. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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