Talk:KBDI-TV/GA1

GA Review

Passed. It is a wonderful world (talk) 10:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 17:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah Sammi Brie, TV stations on Wikipedia would not be the same without you. Thanks for all your great work, I'll review this one. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4) clock

Lead

Allocation to Boulder

The CU Board of Regents unveiled a plan in 1962 to construct channel 12 by 1964–65 and tie it together with KRMA-TV and channel 8 in Pueblo

Since I think the "channel" refers to the broadcast frequency, is "construct" the right word here? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"tie it together" seems ambiguous to me. I assume that in this subject specific context it means something more specific, but as a non-specialist reader I am left wondering if they were sharing equipment, broadcasts or something else. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Construction and legal battle with KRMA

While the application was pending, the FREMCO station was largely uncontroversial: This is a bit of a leap from the source, which just describes the application as "quiet". It is also technically an opinion stated as fact. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Opted to excise.

for fundraising dollars and PBS programs and viewership: Maybe replace the first "and" with a comma for better flow It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

concerned about a competitor for fundraising dollars and PBS programs and viewership: Speculation, attribute It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

#2 is substantiated by the first page of the August 28 clipping. "Don Johnson, acting general manager of [KRMA] ... Johnson's concerns include Channel 12's plan to use programs from the Public Broadcasting Service." The December 9 article mentions fundraising.

misrepresentation and deception": Missing opening quote It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest linking "Squaw Mountain" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no article on this mountain. The term is a redirect to one in New York state.

and arguments that two non-commercial stations could coexist: From whom? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Schwartz

It did so on a ~~very~~ low budget: A little less opinionated It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Launch and early years

The debut was rushed, pocked with technical errors, and generally left a poor first impression.: Opinionated, and cited to a source that is clearly biased. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- I've made this a cited critique. I might have been able to say that if I had another source, but alas, the Rocky isn't available in this period yet... (Maybe in a year's time — its archive is being made freely available, but they're up to 1969 and slowly moving.)

By 1982, KRMA-TV's program director admitted the market had room for his station and KBDI-TV: "Admitted" assumes bad faith, he could have changed his mind. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Denver

It introduced Colorado Inside Out: It isn't very clear what "It" refers to here. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its status as a secondary outlet was cemented by a 1991 PBS decision that required stations that took less than half of PBS programming and therefore paid less to air PBS shows after the primary station in their market: Hard to follow, inserting these dashes or a similar grammatical structure would improve it: "Its status as a secondary outlet was cemented by a 1991 PBS decision that required stations that took less than half of PBS programming—and therefore paid less—to air PBS shows after the primary station in their market" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it was the first such program: It's unclear what "such program" is referring to here. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source: The goals of the program are to inform the public at large about homosexual issues and to promote individual self-esteem, community pride and participation within Colorado's lesbian and gay communities. After broadcasting on public access cable for almost two years, in 1992 The Lambda Report was invited to air on Denver PBS station KBDI, making it the first show of its kind in the nation to break into the public television medium. I think it being about the gay and lesbian side is clear.

previously ran on public-access television; it was the first such program to air on a public TV station: This is a little confusing since they both have "public" in there name. If I understand this correctly, the program was previously made my the general public, then aired on a commercial specialty channel, and then was broadcast by KBDI? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When you think public-access, you should be thinking cheap, public-produced, aired on some local cable channel somewhere. For it to jump to an actual station like KBDI is a noteworthy leap.

Suggest linking "newsmagazine" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Need some context on what the "Piton Foundation" is It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have much, either. There are some references in other articles, so I've left it a redlink. Appears to be a Denver-specific philanthropic institution that was already "major" by 1984. Will require more research.

The Five Points Media Center: Is this the name that was given to the aforementioned building? If so, that should be clear. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Labeled it as a "project"

one federal grant to develop a joint master control facility: How much money? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Added

in 1998, they received one federal grant to develop a joint master control facility, which operated until 2009: This strikes me as quite a short amount of time. Do we know why it ceased operation? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Almost certainly the DTV transition. I've added some items to that effect.

Colorado Public Television and PBS12

two films claiming the September 11 attacks: Unfinished sentence It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denver's primary broadcasting tower site, it was not subject to the years of zoning battles that snarled construction of a digital-ready tower there: In my opinion this is too editorialized for GA. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Denver's commercial stations needed an act of Congress, no joke, to force construction to begin. Denver was the last major market by quite a few years to get its stations with full-power digital signals (and that includes New York, where 9/11 destroyed the original digital facilities!). Changed "snarled" to "held up".

It also was early to discontinue its analog service; after winds up to 100 miles per hour severed its transmission line and severely damaged its antenna in January 2009, a month before stations were intended to switch to digital on February 17, the station instead prioritized repairing the antenna for its digital signal, which was moving from UHF channel 38 to VHF channel 13 as part of the transition, and exhorted viewers to switch to digital as soon as possible.: This sentence is very hard to follow because it is extremely long and punctuated almost entirely by commas. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest linking "Front Range", the last time it was linked was in the beginning of the lead It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Linked at first mention in the name of FREMCO.

"Colorado Women's Chamber of Commerce" seems notable enough for a redlink. If not, it should either be cut or given context in the article. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Removed

Local programming

Looks good :)

Funding

Looks good :)

Subchannels

Looks good :)

Translators

Suggest linking "translators" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources clock

Health/formatting (Criterion 2a) clock

Most are archived and well formatted. I'm curious, how did you get access to the Rocky Mountain News? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NewsBank Access World News full-text post-1989. That is also what I use to search The Denver Post post-89, but GenealogyBank has that paper in its entirety. The Rocky up to 1969 (and expanding slowly, maybe a year or two a month) is available from the state historic library collection. You can't link to NewsBank records.

[62] is missing a publisher/newspaper name. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed this.

Reliability (Criterion 2b) Y

All sources seem reliable for their use cases.

Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d) clock

Spot check based on this version.

[4]: Y

[5]: Y

[15]: The first sentence is mentioned in the prose review, but also he didn't "question Schwartz's tenure" itself, but questioned the decisions he mad during his tenure. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "job performance".

[19]: Y

[36]: As mentioned in the prose review, the first sentence is problematic. The rest is well supported though. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reworded.

[34]: Doesn't support the figure. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed.

[46]: Y

[57]: Doesn't support them "ruling out Boulder for technical reasons" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page 5A, third column. "'We would like to be in Boulder, but we can't, technically.'"

[79]: Y

[83]: Doesn't support the yearly and weekly periods, or "Decode Colorado is an annual documentary devoted to a single issue of statewide importance" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reduced the mention of Decode and found a cite for Inside Out.

[86]: Y

Copyvio (Criterion 2d) Y

Earwig finds nothing, nor did the spot check.

Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b) Y

Follows the format of other good and featured TV station articles.

Stable (Criterion 5) Y

Media Y

Tags (Criterion 6a) Y

Captions (Criterion 6b) Y

Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)

"CBS News Colorado", "Federal Communications Commission", "Westword" and one instance of "Rocky Mountain News" are the only linked publishers/periodicals, I'm in favour of linking all especially considering most are quite obscure, but I think that's just a stylistic preference. Consistency should be there though. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel this article is quite editorialized but not to the extent that it wouldn't meet GA criteria. The most prominent examples I mentioned in the prose review. I think it could do with a relatively significant copyedit to fix these issues. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will make one comment @It is a wonderful world as I start this. I do not like to impugn editors, but few names on a watchlist cause me to go reaching for my cleanup kit faster than one of the other editors. It would not surprise me if some of the issues come from their contributions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@It is a wonderful world: Thanks for the suggestions. A few I couldn't implement or were incorrect. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Sammi Brie, I am happy with all of your changes/explanations. Thanks for introducing me to NewsBank Access World News! Passing now. It is a wonderful world (talk) 10:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.