Talk:K. W. Gransden

A fact from K. W. Gransden appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 November 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that K. W. Gransden, despite publishing only two poetry collections, was included by Philip Larkin in The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 16:59, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that K. W. Gransden, known mostly as a Virgilian, was E. M. Forster's favorite critic of his work?~~ Source: George Watson, "Forever Forster."
- ALT1:~~... that K. W. Gransden, despite middling reviews for his only full-length book of poems, was included by Philip Larkin in the The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse?~~ Source: review: Marya Zaturenska, "A Poetry Chronicle"; Oxford: the book itself.

Comment: I would much prefer the main hook to ALT1, which is not very flattering to Gransden. This is my first nomination, so I will invoke the newbie's exception clause to the quid pro quo rule for now, but will try to do some reviewing once I get a sense of how things work. blameless 02:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Blameless (talk). Self-nominated at 02:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

New enough. Long enough. Reliable inline citations throughout. AGF on non-online sources. Neutral. No copyright violations. Both hooks are cited. I think ALT1 is more interesting than the main hook, and it doesn't need the unflattering qualifier "despite middling reviews for his only full-length book of poems". Hybernator (talk) 04:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Hybernator! So maybe, ALT2: ... that K. W. Gransden, despite publishing only one full-length book of poems, was included by Philip Larkin in the The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse? blameless 19:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote ALT2, but I don't see a source for the fact that he published only one full-length book of poems. The source for the chapbook being his only other work is the book itself. Yoninah (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Yoninah. It's a little hard to cite a negative (in this case that he had no other books of poems). The Independent obit mentions the two books, but does not actually point out that the second one is a chapbook. If this an insurmountable obstacle, could we just go with something vaguer, like, I guess ALT3: "that K. W. Gransden, though known primarily as a critic, was included by Philip Larkin in the The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse?" blameless 22:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Blameless: It's not insurmountable. Perhaps go to Worldcat to check how many books he wrote. You could always say:
ALT3: ... that K. W. Gransden, despite publishing only two poetry collections, was included by Philip Larkin in the The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse? Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that--thanks, Yoninah. blameless 22:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Blameless: But we need a source that says he published only two poetry collections. Yoninah (talk) 09:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, Yoninah. Powell's obit is only partly visible to non-subscribers to PN Review (including me), but the visible bit at the top does say "two collections of poems." That's all I've got for now. Worldcat does indeed just list the two, but it's not always reliable for things like fine-press limited editions. So I think it's just Powell. blameless 20:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Blameless: the Powell source is fine; thank you for adding it. Restoring tick for ALT3 per Hybernator's review. Yoninah (talk) 16:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]