Talk:Jusepe de Ribera

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This is a REALLY outdated article. I have done some work on the final section, but it needs a thorough going-over. Plus Jusepe de Ribera is now standard in English - it was what he called himself - this should be changed. Any objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbod (talk • contribs) 02:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By all means change the name and place a redirection using jose guiseppe or any other names.

Also nearly all the 1911 entries need thorough reworking. CARAVAGGISTI 19:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks CARAVAGGISTI. After thinking about it, I will put in a move request on the move request page in the hope that someone more experienced can do it.

Just to summarize the reasons:

- Baptismal record (1591) has him as: Joan Josep Ribera (Scholtz-Hansen p6- see ref end article)
- Paintings and prints consistently signed "Jusepe de Ribera, Español"
- Other original documents (mostly from Italy)use Giuseppe, Jusepe, Gioseppe - José is not mentioned (ditto)
- Art historians all use Jusepe & have done for decades
- National Galleries, London & Washington, plus Louvre, all use Jusepe. Last 2 say aka José

but José seems also used in Spanish - is title of spanish Wikipedia article. The article seems to have been Guiseppe Ribera before. Since there are pictures on Commons etc, I would rather someone with more experience could have a go - Thanks. Johnbod 21:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support from me, although I also find some Jose references. Jusepe seems more established. ~ trialsanderrors 03:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica (current on-line edition) uses José; as always, the question is not: "Which is historically correct"; it is "Which is most recognizable in English?" Septentrionalis 16:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- well it is clearly Jusepe on both counts Johnbod 19:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

anon request

Is it possible that you could Please include a photograph of the painting: St Januarius Emerging from the Furnace in your piece on Ribera?

from article - answer probably not - try commons or Google images. Johnbod 15:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other way round

I would like to add that it's the other way round. He was born in Xàtiva NOW called Xàtiva and earlier in history called San Felipe de Jativa (as a punishment by Felipe V hundreds of years ago). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.221.60.98 (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- although the spanish WP article in fact uses the J! Johnbod 16:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His Supposed Obscurity....

The last section of the article, about Ribera's legacy, rings a very false note to me in claiming that he was somehow unknown until 1983. Based on the fact that he has been given ample space in books on Spanish Art for many decades, and is represented in museum collections worldwide, there is no way this can be maintained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitruviuspolio (talk • contribs) 01:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was very over-stated, but he was very seriously under-rated for a long time. 19th century art historiies in English were extremely dismissive. I have adjusted the passage. Johnbod (talk) 13:33, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Updates to reflect current scholarship

This article is in pretty rough shape and could use some revisions to reflect the current scholarship on Ribera. I plan to work on the citations in the coming days (need to visit the library for some of these), but I am a new editor and would welcome any contributions/advice from folks who know their way around. Hound Chronicles (talk) 05:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death?

This article says he died on 2 September 1652. I cannot find anything to support (or discount) this. All I can find is that on November 3, 1652, his name was entered into the register of deaths in the parish of Santa Marria della Neve in Mergellina (which may or may not be the actual day he died). Does anyone have any references detailing the date of his death?WiLaFa (talk) 19:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]