Talk:Julian Trevelyan (pianist)

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Hi, I am building this page on Julian Trevelyan the pianist. many thanks for any suggestions on improvements. Friendlyyours137 (talk) 11:59, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

next steps include addition of concert career, and links to the French page. Friendlyyours137 (talk) 12:01, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Friendlyyours137 Are you writing an article about yourself? Why is this person significant besides being a member of the Trevelyan family? 2603:7000:D03A:5895:FC10:9AF4:CD5D:6BE2 (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 2603:7000:D03A:5895:FC10:9AF4:CD5D:6BE2

No, I am not the pianist Julian Trevelyan, I am an amateur pianist and professional salesman.

I originally started this page on Julian, and included his history about his family. Frankly, it always worried me as it seemed to detract from his piano playing, although both Julian and his father accepted it. Somebody recently deleted it, I could not trace the deletion or deleter, or the reason for it. Perhaps it is a good thing. Perhaps not. What do you think ?

I already had a complaint at the beginning from somebody who complained that Julian was not a famous person, but "just a pianist", which reminded me of the Life of Brian, who was just "a very naughty boy".

So, perhaps you are not aware of the world of competitive piano playing. Beethoven first won fame (and for a long time it is was the only fame he had) as a competitive piano player, being the fastest and the loudest, by all accounts. Modern competition is perhaps more nuanced. In the world of international piano competitions, Britain lags far behind the rest of the world. We haven't had a great victory since the 1960s, and even then they were not repeated. Then, along comes Julian Trevelyan, very young, and wins a string of competitions, and keeps on winning them. This competitive record is exceptional for anyone, but unique for a Briton. You can compare his record with that of Peter Donohoe, for example, who came second, or that of John Ogdon, the last Briton to win outright a major piano competition (in 1961).

Now, you may prefer football, and think that it is alright for Erling Haaland - at 23 - to have a really long wiki page, when all he does is kick a football around the park, or Eddie the Eagle, who never won anything jumping off mountains, and even has a film made about his life. So, I would propose to keep the article. It does nobody any harm. Friendlyyours137 (talk) 08:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just a friendly heads-up: it's been three days and @CurryTime7-24 has also nominated the article for deletion. Can you tell them that Julian should have a Wikipedia page because "it doesn't do anyone any harm" and tell me how that works out? 2603:7000:D03A:5895:F5FA:1CA5:3B:8A1C (talk) 16:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if IP users can comment (I think they can), but in the event they can't, I strongly encourage you to please register an account and join the AfD discussion for this article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing that I can add that I haven't already said. I think you've got it under control. 2603:7000:D03A:5895:7D38:9E6D:BE8:BE05 (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

COI conflict

User Friendlyyours137, who appears to know the subject and their family personally, has not declared their COI with this article. It would be helpful if, rather than relying on personal knowledge, they could confirm biographical information on the subject (such as their birthday) from reliable secondary sources that are independent of them, and help ensure that this article adheres to WP:BLP guidelines. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, CurryTime for highlighting COI. I started this page long before I knew the subject, (although of course I knew OF the subject, otherwise I could not have written about him - I wrote an article for The Pianist which was never published) and since then have merely been keeping it up to date and clean. Happy to drop out if you think there is a COI. I don't know the subject's birthday, nor where I could find a reliable secondary source, but the ages in the article seem to come from secondary sources - usually the bios from the competitions, I imagine. Friendlyyours137 (talk) 00:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]