Talk:Julia Allison

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Julia Allison has been described as one of the first influencers?

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 02:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Taylor Lorenz described Julia Allison as one of the first influencers? Source: "In the mid-2000s, Allison dominated the online world as one of the first multi-platform content creators. But practically no one recognized her as such, in part because there wasn’t language to talk about what she was doing. Today, she would be referred to as an influencer." Rolling Stone
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Created by Thriley (talk) and Yngvadottir (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 13:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Julia Allison; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I will review this. BigDom (talk) 14:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - I think "condom fairy" could use a reference at least at the end of its sentence.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - needed
Overall: The article doesn't specifically state that Taylor Lorenz said it, but it is cited and Lorenz is given as the author, so it's OK for me. Just waiting on QPQ and an additional cite for "condom fairy". On an unrelated note, I think File:Julia Allison 2 Shankbone 2009 Metropolitan Opera.jpg would be a better choice for the lead image; it is higher resolution, slightly newer and a better view of her face. BigDom (talk) 14:44, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley and Yngvadottir: Just pinging in case you didn't see this before. BigDom (talk) 17:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that Julia Allison has been described as one of the first influencers? Thriley (talk) 05:41, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think a shorter hook flows better. Thriley (talk) 05:41, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for fixing the issue above and providing QPQ. Happy for this to go now and agree that the shorter ALT1 is preferable. Cheers, BigDom (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Last name

@Sanskrita3000: You have removed her last name of Baugher claiming including it is somehow a Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons violation. Her last name is mentioned in numerous articles over the past 15 years. Rolling Stone in 2023: [1], Slate in 2018: [2], Wired in 2008: [3]. What is your reasoning behind this? How is inclusion a BLP violation? Thriley (talk) 22:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See also User talk:Sanskrita3000 and the aspects pointed out in this edit summary. Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Allison's last name hasn't been Baugher since she was in college. None of her fame came with that name, and it's not relevant (ie: you wouldn't see Jennifer Aniston's post with her former last name). Honoring the privacy of living people is part of wikipedia's ethos. I think we should respect this. Sanskrita3000 (talk) 20:37, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a perhaps unfortunate aspect of being an encyclopedia that we list people's full names at the start of their articles, even if they're universally known by a nickname; it goes by reliable sources. Jennifer Aniston appears to be an unuseful comparison anyway; we list her parents' names as well as her full name, are you referring to her former married name? In this case, as Thriley says, multiple reliable sources give her birth name, including the very recent Rolling Stone article, which appears to rest partly on interviewing her (and presumably it's also in the book). She was also widely known for her college column and had already written magazine articles; see the Rolling Stone article, which was my source for the "rebranding" phrase: Lorenz wrote: "[After] arriving in New York .... Allison started writing under her first and middle name, Allison, instead of her real last name, Baugher." I'm afraid that horse is long out of the barn. I consider her father's and sibling(s)' name(s)—her father's and a brother's name are in a couple of sources—to be unnecessary personal information about non-public figures—but not her own original last name. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]