Talk:Judith beheading Holofernes

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request for clarification

As of October 2012, the lede says that the text is emphatic that no 'defilement' occurs. This seems to imply that Judith's town is not destroyed, but given the context, might apply to their sexual relations. Could someone who's familiar with this text please clarify this part of the lede? It'd be appreciated. makeswell (talk) 15:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gaming piece - can we be sure it shows a woman killing a man?

I question the place of the mediaeval gaming piece in the gallery of this article. To me it could be a clean shaven man (such as a cleric) in a robe (bearing in mind fashions in richer circles at the time) apparently beheading the sleeping man. (I am not misled by the drapery of the bed which on first sight might look the standing figure's dress or robe.) If someone has information that demonstrates it's a woman, please put in caption.Cloptonson (talk) 13:24, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I never thought Judith was quite as ugly as that. but the Louvre seems pretty clear: here? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just cottoned on - the inscription round the circle spells OLOFERNUS (Holofernes) put together.Cloptonson (talk) 16:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, I see. Well, I wouldn't want to meet her on a dark night, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It would be an extraordinary improvement in this article if ...

... if right in the introduction, readers are told exactly who Judith is and who Holofernes is.

Are they mythical people? Actual historical people? Fictional people? Is the answer unknown? Or what?

Instead we are given an entire article about Judith and Holofernes that never mentions who they actually are. (unsigned)

Er, lines 2 and 3: "In the story, Judith, a beautiful widow, is able to enter the tent of Holofernes because of his desire for her. Holofernes was an Assyrian general who was about to destroy Judith's home, the city of Bethulia." Is reading that far difficult for you? This article is about them as a subject in art - you want Book_of_Judith#Historicity_of_Judith. Johnbod (talk) 21:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]