Talk:Joyride (crime)

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This article needs some major clarification as to whether or not it is referring to theft of a car to drive it around purposelessly, or just driving around in ones own car purposelessly. whoever wrote this article is a fucking idiot

I understand the concept, but the title says crime, and I dont think that driving with no purpose is a crime.

I suppose they meant that joyriding in stolen cars is a crime. OzOz 09:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

This seems as if it was badly translated from another language. I myself do not feel qualified to interject, but perhaps the attention of an expert dealing with the legal issues would be helpful?

Nofrendo 06:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep, really badly written/translated/whatever, seemingly come from some government-or-the-other information source on joyriding. Duly tagged. SynergyBlades 16:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The article is a good beginning, but distinctions need to be made. It's a crime, but a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions; and usually handled in Juvenile Courts. There's a confusion of joyriding with auto racing or "sideshows" (an urban California term) which most often do not involve joyriding and often do involve ostensible adults. And the stated connection with robberies, muggings, etc., is not quantified or referenced, vis-a-vis the physical danger to the joyrider personally. It might also be helpful to discuss the psychological thrill of adult activities for a teenager who does not have the necessary qualifications or permissions. Sociologically, which teenagers are susceptible, and which aren't?Fconaway 07:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't confuse "most jurisdictions" with "most parts of the US". For example, here in England, the distinction between felonies and misdemeanours was abolished many years ago. By all means use your knowledge to add more details, but don't write as though it should be taken as read that you're talking about the US. 86.132.137.224 (talk) 19:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The article starts well but needs to be more in dept as joyriding is becoming more and more popular! I however think that this article makes it sound that it is fine to joyride, it state no consequences on it to make young people think. However this article does state that young people take part in joyriding for the pleasure and the excitement that it gives to that person. I think that there is an underlying problem here, such as boredom, why do teenagers want to go out and purposefully break the law knowing that there could be a serious accident or consequences to face at the end of the journey,if they are lucky enough to make it to their destination. This article needs to highlight more of this and show that it does have a negative effect on people and therefore it is anti-social behaviour.

As for designated area there are tracks that have open days, what is the problem with a person if they are old enough to go and use these tracks such as mondello. Having a designated area is not going to change the problem of joyriding as there would still have to be age restrictions.

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• Joyriders often enjoy races among their companions, {{Fact|date=December 2006}} and sometimes have a harmful effect on themselves or bystanders: for instance; robbery, mugging, death by dangerous driving or vehicular assault. {{Fact|date=December 2006}} Since joyriding and joyriding gangs harm communities and individuals, some governments are considering designating certain areas for legal motorcycle or car races. {{Fact|date=December 2006}}

Please do not return this information to the artilce without a citation.--BirgitteSB 20:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Footnote 2 and the Northern Ireland Theft Act are both broken links. 71.209.152.8 (talk) 04:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction:

"In English law[1], joyriding is not considered to be theft, because the intention to "permanently deprive" the owner of the vehicle cannot be proven." vs "Joyriding in the UK is the theft of a vehicle"

Additionally, the statement "which is then driven leisurely" seems dubious - AFAIK plently of joy riders tear around at high and/or dangerous speeds.

Finally, do we really need a list of the most stolen cars in two countries in three specific years? Especially as no source is given, and it is not obvious if this refers to cars stolen for joyriding, or for any purpose. Wardog (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Further to the above, I'm begining to suspect that the claim "joyriding is not considered to be theft, because..." is OR or synthesis. Looking in the text of the Theft Act 1968, there is no specific statement to the effect that "taking a car then abandoning it isn't theft", while the official definition of "With the intention of permanently depriving the other of it" seems to be broad enough that it could easily apply in such cases.

"With the intention of permanently depriving the other of it”.

(1)A person appropriating property belonging to another without meaning the other permanently to lose the thing itself is nevertheless to be regarded as having the intention of permanently depriving the other of it if his intention is to treat the thing as his own to dispose of regardless of the other’s rights; and a borrowing or lending of it may amount to so treating it if, but only if, the borrowing or lending is for a period and in circumstances making it equivalent to an outright taking or disposal.

(2)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (1) above, where a person, having possession or control (lawfully or not) of property belonging to another, parts with the property under a condition as to its return which he may not be able to perform, this (if done for purposes of his own and without the other’s authority) amounts to treating the property as his own to dispose of regardless of the other’s rights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardog (talk • contribs) 14:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

It is quite paradoxical that "the intention to "permanently deprive" the owner of the vehicle cannot be proven" and that "After the vehicle has been dumped it is often set on fire to remove any fingerprints or other evidence."… I believe it needs clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.198.42.84 (talk) 09:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

In the revision of this article, two different crimes should be differentiated: TWOC or its local equivalent (this article), where the vehicle is taken for a recreational or transportation purpose, and returned to approximately where it was taken from, mostly unharmed or at least without the specific intention to do so; and theft where the intention is to sell the vehicle or use it for a criminal or harmful (to it) purpose without any effort to return it to its owner. When a get-away car is dumped in an out-of-the way place, no effort was made to return it; the only effort was for the convenience of the criminals. In contrast, an unauthorized family member committing TWOC hopes that the theft will not even be noticed.

There is no point in any statistics or other citations unless they distinguish between these crimes.165.121.80.114 (talk) 01:26, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Joyriding is not just vehicle theft

Given that this page is about joyriding and not just car theft in general, I think it would make sense to remove the information that pertains only to car theft (so, err, most of the UK section, at least). Being a fairly new contributor I do not yet feel confident in doing this myself. Ideally, of course, there would be some more relevant information we could put in place of the stuff that needs to be removed. Sadly I've not been able to find all that much about the UK.

Below I have listed the few articles I have found which may be of use.

• FROM TOAD OF TOAD HALL TO THE 'DEATH DRIVERS' OF BELFAST: An Exploratory History of 'Joyriding' by Sean O'Connell, which led me to
• TACKLING CAR CRIME: the nature and extent of the problem by Barry Webb and Gloria Laycock, which contains some (potentially) useful data on "twoc" in the UK;
• MOTORING: Your car in their hands is an Independent article by Phil Dourado which makes mention of a "joyriding epidemic" in the "mid-1980s", which I would assume is what the Wikipedia article means when it says "[j]oyriding was a major problem in the United Kingdom during the 1980s".

Hopefully someone with more experience than me can use these to help sort out this page. I'd be happy to help out.

AlexGallon (talk) 02:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)