Talk:Josh Dun

Proposal of inclusion.

I suggest to include this:

In his and Tyler Joseph's pages, due to the high amount of vandalism present. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 20:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Height

I would like to include Joshua duns height, but I would like to edit it myself. There seems to be confusion surrounding his height and I just wanted to say what it actually is. SmArtManIAm (talk) 03:34, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

First, you must have a reliable source for this content. Second, do you want it to be added to the infobox or just the article? If you want it in the infobox, it's a bit more complicated than just placing it in the body. Third, what does it matter? Is there some reason that Dun's height is somehow notable? He's a drummer, not a basketball player or professional athlete where height is sometimes a key statistic. Drummers are not usually measured by height but by technique. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Notability

It seems at this point that notability has been clearly established, based on my reading of the Wikipedia:Notability guidelines, the publishing of a major work, documented articles written about the subject, and his membership in a well-known band. What is the process for having the warning removed? Dextmsg (talk) 06:23, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

You're not reading it correctly then. There is no major work about the subject. There are several of works about the band and many of those where he is interviewed. There are photo essays about the subject's girlfriend and him, but still nothing that meets WP:GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:28, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

As far as I can tell the notability tag on this page needs removing. Wikipedia's notability guidelines state that 'If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list'. There are several in-depth articles and interviews published by independent sources that focus solely or heavily on Josh Dun. Doesn't that fit the notability guidelines? Catherinesideways (talk) 20:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Plase read the discussion above. I don't see those sources. Could you please point them out to me? Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:38, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

At least one source is now on the article. Josh Dun is not the major point of the article, but receives notable coverage in the article. At the very least, notability is unclear, and deletion should be a last report. --Dustball (talk) 18:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

Josh was born to parents Laura and Bill Dun. Ieeeros (talk) 18:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:47, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Leaving Twenty One Pilots

On March 7, 2016, Joshua Dun announced over Twitter that he left twenty one pilots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.96.185 (talk) 02:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

@66.215.96.185: Twitter is not a reliable source, and it must not be considered as a fact when coming from either Josh or Tyler. MYS77 ^✉ 12:55, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you can ping anons.

Twitter can be used for information from primary sources when discussing issues such as this, assuming that there is no analysis, evaluation, interpretation or syntheses. See WP:PRIMARY. It seems that this was an outright statement. If that is the case, it can be used, however secondary sources will likely become available as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:55, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: Do you ever checked those guys' Twitter accounts? They're always making jokes about being out of the band. How could we consider this reliable? MYS77 ^✉ 20:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Not a real twitter follower. if they're making jokes, it will be discovered. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:32, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2016-Josh Dun-twenty one pilots

Josh Dun of twenty one pilots also plays trumpet as seen in this source: and in these photos: and

In summary, the "Instrument" section should be replaced with "Instruments" and trumpet should be added too.

Instruments: Drums, trumpet

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Thank you! I do not own any of these sources, the rights go to their respective owners. REL393939 (talk) 04:21, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done The reason we will not add this is that the instruments parameter of {{infobox musical artist}} states "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using." He is not primarily known for playing trumpet. Also, the images show someone playing trumpet, but it's not clear that it is Dunn. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:00, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

References

@Walter Görlitz The video does display Dun playing trumpet by a credible source, Fuse. I do, however, see your point about the pictures. Thank you for letting me know about that rule. Though I believe he is getting more recognition for his trumpet playing--especially in a recent concert I went to in Cincinnati (their Emotional Roadshow Tour kickoff)--it is not his primary instrument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.130.209 (talk) 20:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

I was just at a concert on 1/27/17 in Pittsburgh and he played the trumpet there as well. It should be listed in the instruments section much like the instruments Tyler Joseph is known for and are included on his Wikipedia page. You can also see him playing the trumpet in the video "twenty one pilots: TOPxMM (the MUTEMATH sessions)" on YouTube

Not done: Still not shown in any reliable sources. One video does not mean it is an instrument that he is primarily known for playing. -- Dane ^talk 20:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Photo

I think the artist profile photo needs to be changed, as it is from 2013. He now wears stage makeup and looks a little different than the photo. Shannon.norton (talk) 16:27, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

@Shannon.norton: Do you have a free, non-copyrighted image to upload here? If so, then we can think about changing. If not, we cannot change it. MYS77 ^✉ 16:48, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2016

88.16.69.33 (talk) 18:25, 8 June 2016 (UTC) Josh plays drums and the trumpet

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

He has played trumpet on occasion (see the discussion above) but it's not a primary instrument for him. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:14, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2016

Can you please change the picture of Josh Dun to a more current photo? 2013 was three years ago and it is not even the most flattering picture of him-and there are plenty of more flattering pictures out there. Here's an example: http://marriedwiki.com/uploads/bio/josh-dun.jpg

Fowlisking (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done for now. It's unclear if the image meets Wikipedia's image use policy — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 23:10, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2016

Josh Dun has recently been engaged to Sarah PastelJoseph (talk) 00:22, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @PastelJoseph: You would need to provide a last name for the fiancée as well as a reliable source to verify the engagement. —C.Fred (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

C+J — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.157.106.226 (talk) 19:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2016

he plays percussion and trumpet

98.21.98.145 (talk) 14:15, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

 Not done That's been stated before. The infobox only lists his primary instruments, as should all artist infoboxes. Please provide a reliable source that supports trumpet as a secondary instrument and we can add it to the article. If it's primary instrument, a source would need to be found for that as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2016

Category:Feminist musicians

DougXavierCan (talk) 00:05, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

 Not done You will have to gain consensus and provide references to support. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:12, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2016

He plays a cajon

98.21.214.78 (talk) 01:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. VarunFEB2003 ^{I am Online} 07:22, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

He's a drummer. I'm sure he plays, djembe, maracas, tambourines and numerous other percussion instruments as required. We can either list drums or percussion, but essentially, the individual instruments are not consequential. At least you're not suggesting that trumpet is a primary instrument. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Image from 2016.

I used this image because it is more recent, however I added the image from 2013 in the article so that people can still see how he appears. So subject can still be seen in article. Coda16 16:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanRossie2000 (talk • contribs)

Joshler

Joshler real or not???🤔 Tessa Corbala (talk) 22:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

@Tessa Corbala: No reliable sources to back up this evidence. So, I'd say no to this. Probably another shipping from their fans. MYS77 ^✉ 02:40, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2016

DoingThisForJosh (talk) 08:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Josh Dun also plays the trumpet

Hey, in the factbox it says that the only insturment Josh plays is the drums, well in one if the songs from blurryface he also plays the trumpet. In fact he also plays it live. If you search on youtube for "we don't believe what's on tv live" you can see the performance where josh plays the trumpet at some point in the song ;). Just thought it was sad that it said he only plays the drums, when on tylers page, it mentions all the instruments that tyler plays, that dont even matter that much. Timtitoo (talk) 08:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

 Not done This has been discussed before. The infobox should only list his primary instruments. One song, or performance, or even two or three, with a trumpet does not make it one of his primary instruments. Incorrect inclusions on other pages should be removed, not used as a reason for more incorrect inclusions here. - Arjayay (talk) 08:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Josh also plays the tamporin

Tamporin should be added under instruments. House Of Gold is an example of where he plays it Timtitoo (talk) 08:40, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Not only drums

He plays the trumpet too ItIsViktoria (talk) 16:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2016

207.157.106.226 (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

JOSH DUN IS MARRIED TO CRISTAL

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:24, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Tattoos

Since there's already a section about his tattoos, shouldn't we include his 'Tyler' tattoo on his leg and the new 'Mom' tattoo on his other arm? StopPeteWentz (talk) 12:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MYS77 ^✉ 17:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Reference found with a super easy Google search. Added info with citation. Took, like, ten seconds. Icarus of old (talk) 15:55, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Self-taught drums

I checked the source cited and the statement made in this article is not found anywhere in that article. If the story is true and was really told by Josh, we need a better source, and someone needs to clear up that awfully-phrased sentence. The syntax is totally gone. If the story is true and was told by Josh, someone please find a better citation and a better way to say it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.220.0.99 (talk) 20:54, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Your request was not specific at all. However, I added a reference to his self-teaching abilites, if that's what you were trying to suggest here. MYS77 ^✉ 20:02, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Relation to Edwin Dun

The subject of his family relationship with Edwin Dun (farming pioneer in Hokkaido) has popped up a few times. It seems that Josh himself said in an Instagram post in 2012 that he is a direct descendant of Edwin Dun, and thus, part Japanese (as both of Edwin Dun's wives were Japanese). However, the Edwin Dun Museum in Sapporo has researched the family and spoken with relatives in the US, and the museum curator told me (when I visited the museum) that they are distant cousins, and not direct ancestor/descendant. I believe the relationship is that Edwin Dun's father's uncle was the direct ancestor of Josh Dun (i.e. the two are some sort of distant cousins). I realize that this is unsourced, but the claim that they are direct ancestor/descendant is also just as unsourced, so I think it should not be included on Wikipedia. At the moment, the only evidence seems to be Josh's Instagram post. A previous Wikipedia contributor (possibly named E.A. Dun) also said that Josh's post about that had been in error, through no fault of his own. Miyakd (talk) 14:43, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm an avid genealogist myself and have expended great time into figuring this out. I actually found TWO possible lineages — only ONE of which involves Edwin. Josh Dun's patrilineal ancestry is as follows, starting with Dun's father and so on:

* William Earl "Bill" Dun

* Earl Owen Dun

* William Sells "Bill" Dun

* William Earl Dun

It is with William Earl Dun (m. Julia Crites) that the ancestry SPLITS. One of his possible fathers is named Isaac W. Dun (m. Nancy Ann Nichols), while another possible father is named "Richard Dun". While Isaac veers off into a completely different line of patrilineal Duns, Richard (wife unknown) appears to be a direct descendent of Edwin Dun, and his wife Tsuru Matsudu, who I believe was Asian.

I'm not sure if any of these details will help or not, but I thought the research was worth mentioning. Personal research is discouraged from Wikipedia, but perhaps some of the information I've provided can be of avail. I know a lack of sourcing might cause some to turn their heads away, but the details aren't that hard to find on the web. Reliability is a major component though, so whatever the conclusion may be, it would probably help if historic documents were provided to aid in the validity. -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Also, if the Instagram post of Dun proclaims this, then it's possible it's true. The question is, is there a reliable source debunking Dun's claim? Is there a source that claims that Dun's post was an error? That's reliable? Another thing to be considered is, does Dun have the expertise to make such a claim about his ancestor? In other words, just because I say a certain President with the same last name of mine is my ancestor, doesn't mean it's true. I think it could be of relevance to the article if proper sources could be found. -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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Personal Life

I noticed that:

"Dun is a Christian,[18][19] and was in a relationship with actress and singer Debby Ryan from May 2013 to September 2014.[20][21] He is single as of January 2016.[22]

Dun has a tattoo of a tree on his right arm which represents what he believes. However, he prefers to tell people its full meaning in person and desires it does not go viral on the internet.[23]

Both Dun and Joseph also have an "X" tattoo on their body symbolizing their dedication to their hometown fans in Columbus, Ohio. They received it on stage during one of their hometown shows in early 2013.[24][25] Dun's is located behind his right ear.[24]

Dun is a descendent of Edwin Dun, the American rancher who significantly shaped Hokkaido's agricultural policies.[26]"

has been removed from the article. Is all of this material really unnecessary? Perhaps the mention of Debby Ryan is unencyclopedic, but details about the tattoos may be necessary. The details of Tyler Joseph tattoos are discussed in his article after all. I didn't take the time to see who removed the information, but should it be re-added or was there a valid reason that this was all removed? -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Can you point to when or were it was removed? Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:57, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Fairly quick to find. @Laser brain: removed the content close to a year ago over two edits, each with its own edit summary: IG isn't a reliable source; undue detail about tattoos--we aren't People magazine and gossip and fan-mag stuff, irrelevant. Two comments on this: 1) this is why we leave good edit summaries (yes, that was a direct comment on you still not leaving edit summaries). 2) The necessary vs unnecessary argument is a false dichotomy. We should focus on whether content is either encyclopedic or not. That seems to be what Lesser brain has done. I can't imagine that restoring reliably sourced content that is encyclopedic would be terrible, but I think your primary concern is on the Edwin Dun content. I'm not sure that the Instrgram post is enough and genealogical research, no matter how professional, may not be enough either. We would need more than a self-published source to support. Also, how encyclopedic is it is the question. Does the relationship increase our understanding of either subject? Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, in the above thread, I was only trying to assist in the discussion of Edwin Dun, and it's definitely not my only focus. Personally, I think the most significant re-inclusion would be the mention of the tattoos. Also, I haven't bothered to uncover any reliable sources for Edwin Dun yet, and I'm well-aware that personal research doesn't make the cut. Again, it was only a means of assistance. I thought I'd hash out a few ideas. As for encyclopedic, that's what I'm attempting to consider as well. Many details I feel aren't encyclopedic (i.e., Debby Ryan) but I wasn't sure if some of them may be. That's why I was seeking other opinions. And your's, as an experienced admin, is of value. So if it's really decided that Laser Bolt made the right decision, then I suppose the deleted portion isn't necassary. (And yeah, yeah, I get it.. "edit summaries"... I assure you there's been an improvement. I indeed see the use of them based on Laser Bolt's example and am thankful he had decided to do so.) -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

And time after time again, it's been said that comparing articles is discouraged. Still, I must make a point that the other half of the musical duo's tattoo choices are provided within their article. (Tyler Joseph) I suppose this was to increase the understanding of his views/artistry. Perhaps the same can be done for Dun? It's not that I'd personally like these details to be provided in the article, but I'm just thinking out loud. If all the details that were previously deleted are truly irrelevant, then I'd comply and understand why they won't be re-added anytime soon. -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

New Section

the page is autoconfirmed so can somebody italicize the terminator please? Enderprse (talk) 22:10, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I went one better. Since the quote was not sourced, I removed it so we don't have to 1) italicize it any longer and 2) don't have to deal with the fan cruft. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:15, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2018

Josh Dun is now engaged to debbie Ryan I believe it should be added https://www.instagram.com/p/Brtp0rWhxAZ/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=bu3h94hld772 66.87.113.47 (talk) 03:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. General Ization ^Talk 03:03, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Engaged

Josh Dun is now engaged to debbie Ryan https://www.instagram.com/p/Brtp0rWhxAZ/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=bu3h94hld772 Nutykj977 (talk) 03:12, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

A secondary source would be better. You spelled her given name differently than the Instagram post and there’s no family name listed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020

Change "Engaged" to "Married" as it has been revealed that Josh Dun and Debby Ryan got married New Years Eve in Austin Texas. 24.185.251.26 (talk) 16:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

And since it was revealed, then that should be the source. Please point us to it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2020

Joshua Dun’s spouse is Debby Ryan 65.26.192.91 (talk) 19:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done That's already stated in the "personal life section", with a source. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Addressing the “vocal cameo” in a House of Heroes song

The article correctly states that Josh Dun appeared in the music video for “God Save the Foolish Kings” by House of Heroes. But it incorrectly states that he made a vocal cameo on the song. While he lip synced a line in the video, that line was actually sung by the main drummer Colin Rigsby. Josh was filling in for Colin when the video was shot, but Colin recorded the song on the album. I’m not sure what source I could provide for this other than the liner notes for the album itself, which would show Colin contributing backing vocals, but not Josh. Also, as a longtime fan of House of Heroes, I can say that comparisons to backing vocals throughout their discography would show that it is Colin’s voice singing the line that it being attributed to Josh. I haven’t edited on Wikipedia in a long time, and I know things are done in a very specific way, understandably. So I didn’t want to just edit it, I wanted to bring it up here first and ask advice and thoughts. Thanks! Rorys1989 (talk) 06:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request: House of Heroes

This article incorrectly states that:

• Dun “joined” House of Heroes as their drummer - he played with them live for a bit of time, but he did not provide meaningful contributions to any song on any album.
• Dun “played the drums on many tracks” on Suburba - he did not. I have the album liner notes which attribute all the drumming to Colin Rigsby. It says that Dun contributed hand claps and gang vocals for two of the songs on the album (God Save the Foolish Kings and Disappear), but nothing else.
• Dun sang “god save us” in God Save the Foolish Kings - he did not. He only provided gang vocals on that song, which that line is not. He is seen playing and singing that line on that song in the music video because Colin Rigsby was absent for the shoot, but he did not play drums or sing that line on that song in the studio.

I have a picture of the album liner notes that confirm this information, but I’m not sure of the correct way to provide it as a citation. Any help would be appreciated.

Vindication84 (talk) 16:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)