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Gap-sa were not disbanded immediately after the Imjin War

According to the 《Chronicles of Joseon dynasty》, in 1623, 26 years later from the end of Imjin War, the famous "Coup of King In-Jo" occurred, with new King In-Jo enthroned by this Coup. In this Coup, the backbone of the rebellion army was the Gap-Sa, especially the Chak-Ho Gap-Sa (Tiger Huter Gap-Sa). In fact, the rebel forces bribed the Gap-Sa regiments who have been guarding the royal palace to join the revellion side to be backbone of their rebellious army for the success of the coup.

From this historical fact, we can recognize that Gap-Sa was not disbanded or abolished during the Imjin War time.

Dispute on the replacement of the 5 Owi with the 5 Military Camps

According to the official dialog of King Seon-Jo with his subjects, which is written in the 《Joseon Chronicles of the volume of regime of Seon-Jo》, the establishment of Hun-Ryeon-Do-Gam, the one of 5 Military Camps of future, had the "temporary" purpose to "supplement" the existing 5 Wi. And the name of "도감 都監 Do-Gam" out of the full name of the organization "훈련도감 訓練都監Hun-Ryeon-Do-Gam" also conventinally means "temporary govern institute" at that time.

It means, king Seon-Jo never had the intention to replace all the existing 5 Wi, but just had the intention to supplement the weakness of existing system. The establishent of the first Military Camp, Hun-Ryeon-Do-Gam, out of the 5 Gun-Yeongs of the future, had come from the King's intention to "Temporarily Supplement" the weakness of the Central Army 5 Wi only for during Imjin War. So the conclusion is, King Seon-Jo didn't abolish 5 Wis and even didn't replace the existing military system the 5 Wi with the 5 Military Commands(?) which is fated to be completely facilitated 150 years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.215.190 (talk) 02:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

History section needed

This article needs a history section to summarize how the Joseon army was formed and reformed. Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 05:27, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More information on equipment and tactics

This article needs more reliable images, references, and sources on each Joseon soldier's equipment and battle strategies when facing their enemies. Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 05:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Army ranks

This article needs a list chart of all the Joseon army ranks. Can anyone help me with that? Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 07:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think a distinction has to be made of the army ranks from the early, mid and late Joseon dynasty, as the Japanese invasions led to massive reforms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.215.190 (talk) 00:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can see that you've updated this, but the information from my research seems to differ slightly?

For example, for army ranks I thought there was the following, which are not covered by your sources:

Dowonsu (도元帥) - top post, Commander in chief of all 8 provinces' armed forces. A temporary rank, the rank that commanded the local army. The scope of the command is flexible. Although it was the highest rank, it is said that the number of troops that Do Won-soo could actually command was considerably small due to the temporary performance that was only permanent during wartime and the command system that was not unified into one.Samdo Sunbyonsa - Commander of three provinces - Kyongsang, Cholla and Chung Chong

Sunbyonsa - Provincial Commander

Pangosa - county commanders - defending strategic points

Cheon-chong (千摠): An officer of the rank of third rank who commanded a division at the level of a modern regiment (yong?). The position existed in each military camp, and it was also deployed to the local barracks or gamyeong to command local troops.

Pa-chong (把摠): An officer of the 4th rank who commanded the sa (battalion). He was also entrusted with the command of the gamyeong (監營) and the barracks (兵營) of each province.

Chogwan (哨官): The lowest rank of a military officer. Commanded a cho (company)

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Also not sure if it's worth including army organisation below:

1 伍(오, o) is like a fireteam, and consists of 5 men.

1 隊(대, dae / tae) is a squad, and consists of 12 men: 2 伍/fireteams, a 隊長(대장, daejung / taech’ong, squad commander) - and a 火兵(화병, hwabyeong), a non-combatant in charge of food/other logistical needs of the squad.

1 旗(기, gi / ki) is a platoon, and consists of 37 men: 3 squads, and 1 旗摠(기총, gichong /ki-chong, platoon commander).

1 哨(초, cho) is a company, and consists of 112 men: 3 platoons, and 1 哨官(초관, chogwan, company commander (lowest rank of a military officer)).

1 司(사, sa) is a battalion, and consists of 561 men: 5 companies, and 1 把摠(파총, pachong, battalion commander).

1 (yŏng) is a regiment, and consists of 2,475 men; 5 battalions

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but I believe I'm missing some information in the above from the below.

육군 기준으로 전기와 후기로 나눠진다. 전기는 문종 때 형성된 오위 기준이다.

전기

오(伍) : 병사 다섯 명으로 이루어진 최하위 제대. 지휘관은 **오장(伍長)**으로 불렀다. 오장은 군관이 아니라 병졸이 맡았다. 인원 숫자상으론 현재의 조[43]에 해당한다.

대(隊) : 5개의 오(伍)로 이루어진 제대. 지휘관은 잡직 정·종9품 치력부위/근력부위 대정(隊正), 부지휘는 잡직 종9품 근력부위 대부(隊副). 현재로 치면 소대에 해당한다.

여(旅) : 5개의 대(隊)로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 중대와 비슷하다. 지휘관은 잡직 종8품 장건부위 **여수(旅帥)**로 주로 기병이나 보병에서 승진한 이가 맡았다.

통(哨) : 5개의 여(旅)로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 대대와 비슷하며 지휘관은 **통장(統將)**으로 불렀다.

부(部) : 4개의 통(哨)으로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 연대 내지는 여단과 비슷한 제대. 지휘관은 **부장(部長)**이라 불렀다. 부장은 종 6품의 병절교위에 해당한다.

위(衛) : 5개의 부(部)로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 사단과 비슷한 제대. 지휘관은 종2품 **위장(衛將)**이 맡았다.

후기

대(隊) : 취사병 역할을 하는 화병 1명, 정군 10명과 그 지휘관인 **대장(隊長)**으로 이루어진 분대급 제대이다. 대장은 잡직 종8품이었으며 보통 군졸에서 승진한 이가 맡았다.

기(旗) : 3개의 대(隊)로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 소대와 비슷하다. 지휘관은 잡직 정8품 맹건부위 **기총(旗摠)**이라 불렀다. 기총 역시 군졸에서 승진한 이가 맡았다.

초(哨) : 3개의 기(旗)로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 중대와 비슷하다. 지휘관은 **초관(哨官)**이라 불렀다. 초관은 종9품 무관직이었다.

사(司) : 5개의 초(哨)로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 대대와 비슷한 제대이다. 지휘관은 **파총(把摠)**이라 불렀다. 파총은 무관뿐만 아니라 문관이 겸임하기도 하였다. 이는 지방관이 해당 고을의 군사를 지휘하는 조선의 군사 체계 때문으로 이런 경우 겸파총이라 불렀다. 실제로 어영청과 금위영의 경우 경기도 일대 수령들이 겸파총이 되어 병력을 이끌기도 했다.

부(部) : 5개의 사(司)로 이루어진 제대. 현재의 연대와 비슷한 제대이다. 지휘관은 **천총(千摠)**이라 불렀다. 속오군에는 잘 보이지 않고 주로 오군영에 보이던 제대이다.

영(營) : 5개의 부(部) 내지는 5개의 사(司)로 이루어진 제대. 전자는 사단, 후자는 여단과 비슷한 제대이다. 지휘관은 대장(大將), 혹은 **사(使)**라 불렀다.[44] 지휘관 밑에는 부지휘관 겸 수석 참모 격인 중군(中軍)이 있다.[45] 중앙군은 오군영(五軍營)에 속해 대장과 사의 지휘를 받았고, 지방군은 해당 지역 감영이나 병영에 속해 관찰사나 병마절도사의 지휘를 받았다.

Look, not the best source, but can we discuss the disparities?

https://namu.wiki/w/%EC%A1%B0%EC%84%A0%EA%B5%B0 60.242.215.190 (talk) 00:15, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've reworked the ranks and military units based on the link you provided and I would like your input on this. Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 02:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Uniforms

We need information on their uniforms. Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 04:23, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Guards

I need help adding more information to the Royal Guards section.Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 01:55, 07 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Provincial Armies

I need to know when the Northwestern Frontier Provincial Deployment Army (서북병 배치 지방군) and the Royal Provincial Army (각지 근왕병) were established.

Northwest Frontier Provincial Deployment Army and Royal Provincial Army

I think the translations NFPDA & RPA are not good, it would be better to change them. They sound like they were Google translated, unnatural, and they even provoke confusions.

▪︎서북방 배치 지방군 Northwest Frontier Provincial Deployment Army - Provincial Armies Deployed in Northwest Frontier

▪︎각지 근왕병 Royal Provincial Army - Loyal Provincial Army Assembly for Protection of King 203.206.81.169 (talk) 05:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]