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Joni (song) was nominated as a Music good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (September 2, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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A fact from Joni (song) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 August 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?

Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Apple (song)
Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.

Moved to mainspace by PSA (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 00:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Page is long enough, new enough, hook is cited, and the hook is interesting. This all seems good, except I don't see a QPQ done. A review of another DYK is still needed! Di (they-them) (talk) 04:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PSA: pinging in case you missed this :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:16, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It has been over a week since the QPQ was requested without it having been completed, which is by itself grounds for closure; it's also been four weeks since the nomination was made. Hope PSA completes it very soon if they want this nomination to proceed! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @BlueMoonset @Di (they-them) @theleekycauldron, you're all champs for putting up with the nom. Apologies for not attending to this sooner... i lost a lot of my mental fortitude for editing while preparing for a national exam. There should be a qpq now :) Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 05:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A review has been done, should be good now!

Di (they-them) (talk) 05:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. N Ø 16:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Joni (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PSA (talk · contribs) 02:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: MaranoFan (talk · contribs) 16:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Auto-fail: This is a long way from meeting 3a. The article itself mentions that a different version of the song is going to appear on a deluxe edition of the album that has not been released. The infobox seems to have claimed this for a long time before being changed a few days ago? Currently, reading this article just creates confusion about whether the song will appear on one of the artist's future projects or not, which is disqualifying. I mean, the lead says it is an unreleased song but the infobox states a release date? The Music and lyrics section is full of awkward sentences since it is prematurely squeezed out of insufficient source material (“The lyrics are characterized by soulfulness, precision, brevity, and spontaneity.”, “conjures several descriptive scenes in quick succession, employing imagery of sex and money (‘If the money right, is the pussy good?’), the golden hour (‘The golden hour awaits for me’), the moon (‘Moon corrals us to the water’), and the end of summer.”) which leave a lot to be desired when it comes to describing what the song is actually about. The structure is poor with just not much to say right now. The categorization of the song as "trap" seems to come from a primary source so that should not be stated as a fact in the prose or be included in the infobox. The NME source describes the version released on SoundCloud as finger-picked, which seems to be the same one that has been described as folksy and samples Elliott Smith. There seems to be some WP:SYNTHESIS going on in the article to imply these are definitely two different versions, and nonetheless, "folksy" does not mean "folk" can be used as a main genre.

Charting information, personnel information, many critical perspectives, the parent album's name, and a release date for most platforms, which would be expectations for something to pass GA anyways, could be expected to surface in the future with its official inclusion on either of the two projects the article says it might be on. There is an unknown featured artist yet to be announced too? This would require not just the article to be changed significantly but also key parameters in the infobox. Songs by this artist no-doubt receive critical reviews and chart entries upon widescale release, two sections that are absent currently. This is in no way an appropriate GA candidate with that many unknown variables. 1a, especially 3a, 3b, 4, and 5 are too many criterion that cannot be met right now. Failing.--N Ø 16:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.