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A fact from Jonas Rose appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 November 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after Jonas Rose wrecked a second ship, he never worked again?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 03:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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HMS Agamemnon

... that following the wrecking of HMS Agamemnon (pictured), the second such accident of his career, Jonas Rose was never employed again? Source: Hore, Peter (2015). Nelson's Band of Brothers: Lives and Memorials. Barnsley.: Seaforth Publishing. p. 90. ISBN 9781848327795.
- ALT1: ... that after Jonas Rose wrecked a second ship, he never worked again? Source: Hore, Peter (2015). Nelson's Band of Brothers: Lives and Memorials. Barnsley.: Seaforth Publishing. p. 90. ISBN 9781848327795.

Reviewed: Samuel Gibbs French

Created by Ykraps (talk). Self-nominated at 09:53, 6 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Ykraps, review follows: article moved to mainspace 6 November; article exceeds minimum length and is well written; sources are largely offline but appear reliable; I didn't note any issue with overly close paraphrasing from online sources, AGF on the offline; hooks are interesting, I note the article says he "never went to sea again" not that he "never worked again", the former leaves open the possibility that he might have a land-based appointment. If the sources support it could you amend the article to suit, otherwise change the hook to "never served at sea again" or similar? If the image is proposed it needs to appear in the article also - Dumelow (talk) 09:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dumelow, Thanks for reviewing this nomination and for raising those two, very good, points. I was not aware of that ruling about images. The source says he was "...never employed again". I have made the necessary changes to the article. Thanks again. --Ykraps (talk) 09:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ykraps, yes the image one doesn't come up often; it's covered at point three of Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Images. All looks fine now - Dumelow (talk) 12:13, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: any chance the hooks could be cited inline? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not my nomination (and possibly my most disliked DYK rule) but pinging Ykraps. To comply you'll need to duplicate the refs at the end of the paragraph to the sentences supporting the hooks - Dumelow (talk) 08:51, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron:@Dumelow:, Sorry, I'm not sure what's being asked here. Which part doesn't have an inline citation? -- 09:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ykraps, it's rule 3b here. The sentence supporting the hook must be followed immediately by an inline citation, not just the usual practice of one at the end of the paragraph. In this case I think you'd need to add an additional citation at the end of the sentence "Despite being honourably acquited, Agamemnon was Rose's last ship." - Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: Ah, I see, thank you. Both references need to be duplicated in this case because Goodwin discusses details of the court martial and Hore, Rose's career. Hope that's all okay now. --Ykraps (talk) 08:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P6 without image