Talk:Johnny Gaudreau
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2024
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died 08/29/2024 2600:1700:9100:83B0:F51A:5279:9BAC:F913 (talk) 05:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Still awaiting verifiable source Shotgunheist 💬 06:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 06:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Confirmed death
[edit]The Blue Jackets have confirmed he has passed away
https://x.com/BlueJacketsNHL/status/1829481858968535120?t=3fqKYABap9oGzOUD2vCpkA&s=19 Xravaii (talk) 11:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes this would appear to be confirmation from a reliable source. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- but the cause of death is not, so do not include that till it is.Slp1 (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- It now has been, so I have added it with the source, AP.Slp1 (talk) 13:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- but the cause of death is not, so do not include that till it is.Slp1 (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Playing career: 2014 - present
[edit]Needs to be changed as well. 2014-2024. 2607:FEA8:5C9B:9A00:74A2:C0AC:D568:6E57 (talk) 12:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Rest in Peace.
[edit]50.65.107.13 (talk) 23:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2024
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Change "offers" to "officers".
"The driver, Sean M. Higgins, has been arrested for suspected drunk driving and charged with death by auto, after telling responding offers at the scene that he had consumed 'five or six' beers before driving and continued to consume alcohol while operating the car; he subsequently failed a breathalyzer test when administered by police." 2606:A800:CB87:B100:2D03:C193:23DE:AB54 (talk) 02:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Already done Fixed here. Jamedeus (talk) 05:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The accident happened about 1 hour after sunset. AMCKen (talk) 06:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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In the death section, "All 32 NFL teams issued statements in response to his passing" should be changed to "All 32 NFL teams issued statements in response to his death" per MOS:EUPHEMISM. 2603:6081:893D:13AC:7C39:6151:351B:BAE9 (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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76.252.191.55 (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC) Hello, i would like to edit this page because recently i have heard that Major Garry's Mod Games and Various Other Games has been Honoring the Death of Johnny Gaudreau on Many Events after his Death.
- Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Jamedeus (talk) 21:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
I have an idea for an article for Johnny's death.
[edit]Since this was a huge death across the NHL, might as well make the death an Wikipedia page, because yes, teams were posting on X sending their condolences to the Gaudreau family. UtahJazzFan1 (talk) 22:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- people posting condolences on the platform formerly known as twitter is not on its own an adequate reason for an article to exist. Aside from condolences, consider what such an article would cover. There must be significant coverage in reliable sources. Consider reading this guide for starters. Echoedmyron (talk) 22:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yea but this was major. If you don't remember, the entire NHL, even their TV channel, was remembering him and his brother. This was huge. Yes it may not be like that, but still, this was major. It's getting pretty major, with the drunk driver staying in prison. Johnny and his brother was killed, and yet, I still think this is major. UtahJazzFan1 (talk) 00:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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GA Review
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Nominator: The Kip (talk · contribs) 06:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Jordano53 (talk · contribs) 23:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Greetings! I will be conducting this review soon. Jordano53 23:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Pre-review
[edit]Prior to an in-depth review, I will analyze the article for any criteria for immediate failure.
- It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
- Nah, this looks to be pretty close at least in all of them.
- It contains copyright violations
- Earwig is satisfied and no plagiarism seen by the naked eye.
- It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags (See also {{QF}})
- None present, none needed.
- It is not stable due to edit warring on the page
- Nope, page is stable!
- It has issues noted in a previous GA review that still have not been adequately addressed, as determined by a reviewer who has not previously reviewed the article
- N/A.
Splendid! This article is not a quickfail.
Review
[edit]- Well-written:
- the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and Some things I noticed:
- "He played college ice hockey for the Division I Boston College Eagles for three seasons"
- Would you be opposed to "He played Division I collegiate ice hockey for the Boston College Eagles" instead? I think that reads better.
- "As a child, he played in the Penns Grove Little League"
- Specify baseball, maybe also include Mike Shawaryn tidbit
- "He attended Gloucester Catholic High School in Gloucester City, New Jersey, and later graduated from Dubuque Senior High School in Dubuque, Iowa."
- Any reason for the move?
- In the USHL section, could you include a couple notable statistics that put into perspective those accomplishments?
- "Gaudreau was one of the shortest players taken at the draft."
- The source says he was the shortest, along with Rocco. I would phrase it that way to be more specific.
- "ACHA"
- first instance of acronym, link to the association
- "bowing out of the NCAA tournament", "Although the U.S. bowed out of the tournament in a quarter-final loss to the Czech Republic"
- This more commonly implies voluntarily dropping, at least in my experience. I would recommend using "was defeated" or a related synonym.
- How did Gaudreau perform in the 2019 IIHF World Championship? Even if he didn't play that much, I would still mention something beyond the fact that he was merely selected. Also, didn't he play in 2024?
- it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. One thing:
- "highlight-reel goal", "For his tremendous season,"
- WP:PUFFERY-adjacent phrasing
- Verifiable with no original research:
- it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline; All is well.
- reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose); Just a few things:
- "controversial and unlikely write-in candidate enforcer John Scott."
- The source really only shows the "unlikely" aspect of this and not the controversial. Either find another source or remove the "controversial" aspect.
- "Gaudreau's Flames failed to live up to high expectations bestowed upon them"
- The source doesn't do a good job in showing that expectations were high for the Flames. Would like to see a preseason review or a similar piece of content to better support that claim.
- "Gaudreau missed the entirety of the Flames' training camp due to a contract dispute."
- Not cited.
- it contains no original research; and No OR.
- it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. No copyvios.
- Broad in its coverage:
- it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and Sure does! Standard outline for hockey bios.
- it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Doesn't delve into the irrelevant. Focused.
- Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. Neutral and encyclopedic.
- Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. Stable as can be.
- Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
- media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and All info in Commons.
- media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Photos of Gaudreau make sense and are properly captioned.
In summary
[edit]Overall, a well-written article with a few issues. I believe these can be sorted out in a reasonable amount of time. Jordano53 00:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Jordano53 Believe I've addressed all issues - eagerly awaiting your response! The Kip (contribs) 06:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Double-checked your changes. All is addressed! Congratulations on the GA and thank you for your fine work on this article. Jordano53 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- And thank you for the review! The Kip (contribs) 23:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Double-checked your changes. All is addressed! Congratulations on the GA and thank you for your fine work on this article. Jordano53 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
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- ... that despite being one of the smallest players in the National Hockey League, Johnny Gaudreau (pictured) was a seven-time All-Star?
- Source: Re: smallest: "Even last season, his 11th in the NHL, Gaudreau, all grown up, was all of 5-9, 163. Among the 1,022 players who appeared in the League, only 15 were shorter. Only five were lighter."
- ALT1: ... that Johnny Gaudreau's 2022 decision to sign with the Columbus Blue Jackets "stunned" the hockey world? Source: 1, 2
- Reviewed: [[]]
As I considered the GA pursuit as a form of honoring his memory, I figured I'd aim to celebrate him with the DYK and avoid something about his death/the aftermath. The Kip (contribs) 07:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC).
- Excellent work, The Kip. It was a lovely idea to celebrate the man with a GA and now a DYK. The GA promotion is recent, and the article expectedly passes the rest of the DYK requirements. I would strongly suggest including the photo in the nomination because of its quality and potential to draw in readers. I have some questions:
- How do we explain the discrepancy in heights given in the article? The infobox says 5 ft 9 in (175 cm); Johnny_Gaudreau#USHL says 5 ft 6 in (1.68 m). It would be quite remarkable if he grew 7 cm after the age of 18. This has implications for the ALT0 hook because the NHL seem to have players far shorter than 5 ft 9 in (175 cm).
- Can ALT1 succinctly explain or hint at why the decision stunned the hockey world? The hook would be more interesting to readers if it contrasted Gaudreau's success with the reputation of Columbus as "a bad destination, a bad city".
- I see numerous high-quality photographs of Gaudreau and memorials to him on FlickR. Have you tried reaching out to the users who do not have their photographs under Wiki-suitable licenses to see if they would be willing to change the licenses for use on Wikipedia? It is not a requirement, but some of these photographs would be great contributions to the article.
- Would it be possible to create an article about Matthew Gaudreau? On a cursory search I see enough coverage to say that he might pass Wikipedia's notability requirements. A double nomination would be nice.
- Can you cite a source for the last sentence in Johnny_Gaudreau#Columbus_Blue_Jackets?
- Would it be possible to expand the lead? It seems rather short for an article of that size. I think it could safely be doubled.
- Have you considered that a hook mentioning the Gaudreau brothers' deaths and/or the tributes paid to them might honor them by drawing the greatest number of people to read and learn about them? I know nothing about hockey and do not have any interest in it, and would not have chosen this nomination or read the article if you had not mentioned "his death/the aftermath" in the comment. Now I am glad I did.
Thank you for working on this article and take your time with the response. Surtsicna (talk) 10:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: Thanks for the response! I'll go point-by-point:
- Honestly, I'd assume he simply did grow, though there's some inconsistencies with his exact height - there's sources over the years ranging from the 5'6" he was listed at the draft to 5'10" at one point during his career. Bottom line, the NHL had him listed at 5'9", and they're probably the most reliable source on this.
- I've got some ideas for this, but I'm time-limited at the moment so I'll post those later.
- With all due respect, that's a bit beyond the scope of DYK, and the article is fairly well-illustrated anyways.
- Much as I hate to say it, Matthew doesn't really pass GNG. Only played college hockey and briefly in the minors, coached high school, and died alongside his brother - it would be heavily bordering on WP:BLP1E.
- I'll take care of that a bit later.
- Again, with all due respect, a bit beyond the scope of DYK - the current lead was found acceptable for GA.
- I'll try to think of one, but it kinda conflicts with my own preference. The Kip (contribs) 18:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am suggesting changes that are not DYK requirements, and marking them as such, because you made me care about the subject. It is your fault :) If the height discrepancy cannot be explained in the article, I am not comfortable with promoting ALT0. ALT1 is still promising, but I think that it should be possible to come up with a hook that both highlights Gaudreau's achievements and causes an emotional reaction in the reader–with or without explicitly mentioning death–that makes them want to learn more. Surtsicna (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: regarding ALT0, even with the discrepancy of exact inches, the NHL source still outright declares him one of the shortest players in hockey - here's a second RS doing the same. I'm not really sure how the discrepancy creates an issue with the hook as a result.
- On the issue of a more emotion-provoking ALT2 - I still can't think of any. I thought about trying to pull a quote from a notable obituary/tribute that didn't explicitly mention his death, but most of them were fairly run-of-the-mill. If it must be related to his death, I'd probably suggest:
- ALT2: ... that Johnny Gaudreau's death sparked tributes spanning across Calgary, Columbus, and Philadelphia? Source: 1, 1
- But again, that would be my distant, distant third choice behind the original hook and ALT1. I really would prefer to avoid one solely focusing on the tragedy - I think most of us would rather that not be what he's mainly remembered for. The Kip (contribs) 04:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- That is a better source for ALT0 because it calls him "one of the shortest" when listing him as 5 ft 9 in. The one describing him as "the shortest" when listing him as 5 ft 6 in could be called outdated by the time Gaudreau was a seven-time All-Star if he really somehow grew three inches in the meantime.
ALT2 is very weak, not at all what I had in mind. But the source you just cited for the height has the potential to produce something very sweet. How about:
ALT3: ... that the seven-time All-Star Johnny Gaudreau (pictured) was a "hero" who paved the way for smaller hockey players, according to a teammate now wearing his jersey number?
Or something like this. It does not explicitly mention his death, but hints at a loss while also highlighting his success and achievements. A photo would make it even more impactful. Surtsicna (talk) 15:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)- @Surtsicna: I could work with that, and I'd definitely prefer to include an image - not sure why I didn't initially include it, but I'll retroactively add. I'd hesitate to call Caufield a teammate as they only played together on the national team (rather than an NHL one) but it could be something like:
- ALT4: ... that Cole Caufield described seven-time NHL All-Star Johnny Gaudreau (pictured) as a "hero" who paved the way for smaller hockey players?
- I'd still prefer the original hook, but ALT4 works if you'd rather promote that. The Kip (contribs) 18:27, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, we will go with ALT0. It is a perfectly fine hook. We will need a single source for it, however, otherwise it looks a bit SYNTHy, and the hook fact should be explicitly stated in the article with that source. This will be overall useful because the article does not yet explain why this was special. Surtsicna (talk) 18:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: The source used for his small-ness notes at the end that he was a seven-time All-Star, so I think that covers it - I'll try to work that into the lead of the article, though. The Kip (contribs) 19:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Right, I missed that. I would include it in the article body as well per MOS:LEAD, but I suppose that for DYK purposes it does not matter where in the article it is. Surtsicna (talk) 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: I've added it to the lead. The Kip (contribs) 19:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Great. On we go then! Surtsicna (talk) 22:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: I've added it to the lead. The Kip (contribs) 19:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Right, I missed that. I would include it in the article body as well per MOS:LEAD, but I suppose that for DYK purposes it does not matter where in the article it is. Surtsicna (talk) 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: The source used for his small-ness notes at the end that he was a seven-time All-Star, so I think that covers it - I'll try to work that into the lead of the article, though. The Kip (contribs) 19:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, we will go with ALT0. It is a perfectly fine hook. We will need a single source for it, however, otherwise it looks a bit SYNTHy, and the hook fact should be explicitly stated in the article with that source. This will be overall useful because the article does not yet explain why this was special. Surtsicna (talk) 18:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- That is a better source for ALT0 because it calls him "one of the shortest" when listing him as 5 ft 9 in. The one describing him as "the shortest" when listing him as 5 ft 6 in could be called outdated by the time Gaudreau was a seven-time All-Star if he really somehow grew three inches in the meantime.
- I am suggesting changes that are not DYK requirements, and marking them as such, because you made me care about the subject. It is your fault :) If the height discrepancy cannot be explained in the article, I am not comfortable with promoting ALT0. ALT1 is still promising, but I think that it should be possible to come up with a hook that both highlights Gaudreau's achievements and causes an emotional reaction in the reader–with or without explicitly mentioning death–that makes them want to learn more. Surtsicna (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Name of the driver
[edit]Are we allowed to mention that, or is that a BLP violation of some sort? mftp dan oops 15:20, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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