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October 5, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed
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Those searches are useless, being for the exact phrases. Try Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL, i.e. the exact name with the words "snooker" and "referee" appearing separately. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 05:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Going to review this for the GAN October 2020 Backlog Drive. MWright96 (talk) 05:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Lead

An infobox in the lede might help things here
- Maybe, but I don't think they are mandatory. I'm not really sure which one to use, so I didn't. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough. It is only a suggestion. 07:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
"he took charge of the events quickly and organised the events for many years." - this sentence could be reworded to avoid repetition of the word "events"
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"and lead to more television coverage." - and resulted in
"but has made sporadic appearances " - made
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

Perhaps add where Rubaon is in Wales?
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the second and third sentences in this section can be merged together
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"His grandfather had been British Bar billiards champion" - I don't think "Bar billiards" needs to begin with a capital letter
- Fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Any information on the occupation of his first wife?
- I only have info on the names, but I'll do a search. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think divorce should be wikilinked
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Referee career

"during the mid 1960s" - a hyphen is missing in the text in bold
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Williams started refereeing snooker matches during the mid 1960s, leaving the civil service in 1981 to become a full-time referee." - much of his information is not backed up by the BBC Sport reference. An extra source is needed to verify this information
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The first mention of the word table should be linked to Billiards table
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"which was covered in a tarpauline" - typo; should be tarpaulin
- If you hadn't guessed, I can't spell. Mine still looks more right to me! done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"This led to news picturing Williams" - led to the press might be an improvement here
- Good point. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"finals of any referee,[6][5]" - refs in numerical order please
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink black to the relevant article
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
"In total, Williams took officiated 11 World finals," - the word in bold isn't needed
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
"The last world championship final he refereed was in 2002, when Peter Ebdon beat Stephen Hendry in a deciding frame." - The Irish Times does not contain any of this information, only the Sky Sports source attached to it
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"In 1983, Williams was awarded a two-year suspended prison sentence," - I think received is a more appropriate word for this portion of text
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"after pleading guilty to selling snooker tables worth £6,500 that did not exist." - more concise; selling non-existant snooker tables worth £6,500.
- Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any information about the end result of Williams suing the WPBSA for wrongful dismissal?
- I didn't see much. I don't think that it ever went as far as the courts. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"They refereed the final of 17 of the first 20 World Championship finals held at the Crucible." - the word in bold should be changed to Crucible Theatre for formality
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink Sydney Lee to the relevant article
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"he became the referee in snooker television show" - of the
Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink 2012 tournament to 2012 World Seniors Championship
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

Be consistent in how World Snooker is written in the references. For example one reference is written as worldsnooker.com whereas another is written as World Snooker
References 4, 11 are missing the author(s)
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 8 is missing the publisher and isbn number
- I believe it's a self published source, so has neither. Chris Downer has been considered a reliable source for some time, but happy to open something formal on this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The title of Reference 11 does not need to be all in capital letters per MOS:ALLCAPS
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 15 title: "In brief {} Snooker" - this error needs fixing
- DOne Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will put the review on hold to allow the nominator to address or query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 06:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've covered most of the above, let me know what you think MWright96. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Was there anything else to take a look at here MWright96? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Lee Vilenski: Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 06:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]