Talk:John Ware (TV journalist)

This article was nominated for deletion on 20 September 2013. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles

Journalism

	Journalism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Journalism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of journalism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JournalismWikipedia:WikiProject JournalismTemplate:WikiProject JournalismJournalism articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Reference to Forde Report removed

On the 15th of October 2022, a line of this article was removed under the justification of "removing inaccuracies and libellous comments"

This line, as you can see through post history, was solely made in reference to the findings of the Forde Report, an Independent Report, comissioned by Keir Starmer and the Labour Party. I did not state anything which was not directly stated in the Forde Report itself.

Stating what a report, directly commissioned by the Labour Party, stated about this documentary, feels relevant to understanding the full conversation around the impact and accuracy of the work he produced. Even if the editor in question personally disagrees with the findings, what an official party report said about the Panorama Documentary is still very much relevant to the discussion.

I don't believe that in any other topic, referencing an official report written by a KC, would warrant being removed.

This is also extremely relevant, since the author of the report, Martin Forde KC, has since publicly stated that the BBC and John Ware himself directly petitioned him to try and soften the findings of the report in areas where it concerned their broadcasting. In light of this, I feel editing out this context represents a pattern of behaviour by John Ware, the BBC, and Ware's fans to try and deliberately obscure criticism of his reporting. DoricSpengler (talk) 07:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here is that the Forde Report is a primary source which we try to avoid in biographies of living people. Do you have a reliable source that quoted the Forde Report in this context? Lard Almighty (talk) 08:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would question the degree to which the Forde Report was a Primary Source, given that it was an independent report, written by someone unconnected to the events of the documentary, and performing second-hand analysis of evidence provided. This was very much an outsider's view of the incident.

In regards to other sources, An interview with Martin Forde, where he discussed the findings of the Forde Report, and John Ware's response has recently been released as part of Al Jazeera's "Labour Files" documentary.

Al Jazeera is listed as a reliable source by wikipedia overall, but if anyone has any objections to it's specific citation in regards to this issue, that'd be understandable. They are a partisan source on this issue.

https://www.ajiunit.com/investigation/the-labour-files/

(The interview is present in Episode 5) DoricSpengler (talk) 08:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are cherry-picking from a primary source. That is the issue. What you added was one finding, and it's a bit of a non-sequitur from the other paragraphs in that section. It also does not relate directly to Ware, which it should given that this is his WP:BLP. If WP:RS had honed in on that particular finding in relation to Ware, then it would be appropriate to include it in his WP:BLP. But just left hanging at the end of a section on one of his documentaries, with no direct relationship to Ware and his work, it does not seem to me appropriate. Lard Almighty (talk) 08:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]