Talk:John Hutton, Baron Hutton of Furness

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Isn't it rather difficult to say that Hutton was succeeded by Hilary Armstrong as Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, when the position has been vacant for almost 6 months? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Photo needed

Official government photos of British politicians cannot be used on Wikipedia as Crown Copyright is not a sufficiently free license. Because the subjects are living and make frequent public appearances, they are regarded as readily replaceable with free images. So I guess this is challenge.... If John Hutton (or one of his colleagues) is going to be in your area and you have a spare minute, grab your digital photos and get snapping! Hopefully we'll get a new photo soon. All efforts appreciated.WJBscribe 01:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC) (comment revised 16:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC) WJBscribe)[reply]

Two Lord Huttons?

There seem to be two Lord Huttons - this would seem to be rather unusual and worthy of an explanation by someone ( I have no idea why, myself). Can anyone explain it?

Thanks Wrighrp (talk) 22:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not unusual. There is technically only one "Baron Hutton", the other one. The subject of this article is Baron Hutton of Furness. Of course, both are called "Lord Hutton" in practice. The way it works is that a life peer cannot have the same title as another peer, including another life peer (the rule is similar, but not exactly the same, for hereditary peers). Because Brian Hutton became Baron Hutton in 1997, John Hutton couldn't do so in 2010, even if Brian Hutton had died. John Hutton could have chosen something completely different (John Gummer became Baron Deben, not because Gummer was taken, but because he wanted to). Otherwise, he has to tack something on to "Hutton", peers usually choose a location, such as a town they've lived in or they've represented in Parliament (which is what Hutton did). -Rrius (talk) 23:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: moved to John Hutton, Baron Hutton of Furness JohnCD (talk) 15:34, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

John Hutton (British Labour politician) → John Hutton, Baron Hutton of Furness — Per WP:NCPEER, "Members of the British Peerage, whether hereditary peers or life peers, usually have their articles titled "Personal name, Ordinal (if appropriate) Peerage title". Also, per [[1]], the use of the peerage for disambiguation is always preferred to parenthetical disambiguation. Additionally, in this case, the current parenthetical disambiguation is invalid, since another is a different British politician John Hutton (1659–1731). Also, I am proposing that we use this Lord Hutton's full title in the name as a further disambiguator, since there is another Lord Hutton. Finally, while there are a few rare exceptions listed at WP:NCPEER, none of them apply here.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article was originlly moved to John Hutton, Baron Hutton of Furness when he received his peerage and was there for four months before being moved unilaterally and without discussion by User:Lucy-marie. He is currently in the news for conducting the pension reform, where he is alawys referred to as Lord Hutton. Many people will not even realise he is a Labour politician as he's carrying out the review for the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. "British Labour politician" is a long and cumbersome form of disambiguation that should be avoided if at all possible anyway. JRawle (Talk) 13:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. John Hutton, Baron Hutton of Furness is a better disambiguator, per guidelines. I thought from TV appearences he was still commonly called "John Hutton" in the media, but looking at the latest newspaper reports "Lord Hutton" is used in more than 50%; so even if a dab was not essential, I don't think this exception would have held in this case. Rwendland (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Far better disambiguator, and in any case he is commonly referred to now as Lord Hutton. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems obvious to me given peerage naming conventions. Gamaliel (talk) 00:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral, I've never seen any justification for the belief that the peerage title must always be a better disambiguator than an ordinary parenthetical (in many cases it isn't), nor am I persuaded that the fact that someone is called "Lord X" in the newspapers is any justification for using a somewhat peculiar title that doesn't include the phrase "Lord X" anyway; however in this case (as noted above) there doesn't seem to be a particularly satisfactory parenthetical disambiguator, so I guess the proposed title is not significantly worse than anything else we might come up with.--Kotniski (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Who recommended him for a peerage?

I can't find who recommended that Hutton be given a peerage in the article. I suspect that it was the Tories, as I don't think Hutton and Gordon Brown were best mates. If it was, it surely deserves mentioning that a former Labour MP got recommended for a peerage by the Tory party, as that can't have happened all that often.--Theresonator (talk) 23:30, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brown did in fact recommend Hutton as part of his Dissolution Honours list. There are reasons aside from friendship why a prime minister might recommend a fellow party member for a peerage. -Rrius (talk) 07:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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