Talk:John Fitzgeoffrey

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archtype 14:38, 4 November 2019 (UTC)==Untitled== I see nothing in the article to say that he is an Irish nobleman. All his titles are English. His tenure of the Irish office of Justiciar does not make him Irish. I think the category should be removed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

archtype 14:22, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Questionable arms displayed

Arms of Eustace FitzJohn, Lord Vesci: Quarterly, or and gules, a border vair are shown for this Individual but no apparent family connection can be found between the Lords of Shere (John FitzGeoffrey) and the lords of Vescy, The display of these arms should be removed unless valid attribution can be documented.archtype 03:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archtype01 (talk • contribs)

John Foster, The Dictionary of Heraldry: Feudal Coats of Arms and Pedigrees, 1995 edition, is sourced as providing attribution for John Fitzgeoffrey having used these arms. Newm30 (talk) 19:04, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This same sourcing should be displayed on the image of the Arms, to clarify the apparent conflict between holders of the achievement. It is True that the Mandeville Earls of Essex used this configuration during their tenure, it is a modification of the traditional Mandeville quarters adding the vair border, but has no connection to the bearer identified in the graphic file.See A General Armory of England Scotland, Ireland and Wales" by Sir Bernard Burke - p 357 archtype 14:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Nigel Saul’s, Also For Honour and Fame: Chivalry in England, 1066-1500, page 67, also attributes these arms as adopted by John Fitzgeoffrey as he was a half brother to Geoffrey and William, Earls of Essex, whom adopted the name and the arms quarterly or and gules of the Mandevilles. Will consider referencing on current image or create new version specifically for John. Regards Newm30 (talk) 13:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]