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Did you know... that Johanna Quaas (pictured), the world's oldest competitive gymnast, did a tandem skydive from about 3,000 meters (9,800 ft) in 2016, dedicating it to Queen Elizabeth II?

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The result was: by SL93 (talk) 02:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Johanna Quaas 2017 in Halle (Saale)

... that on 20 November 2021, the world's oldest competitive gymnast Johanna Quaas (pictured) celebrated her 95th birthday on her 96th birthday because the pandemic had interfered with the party in 2020? Source: "After All: ... Everyone Gets Older, But It Depends on How ...!" (https://www.gymmedia.com/event/Quaas-en/After-all-everyone-gets-older-it-depends-how), 20 November 2021.
- ALT1: ... that the world's oldest competitive gymnast Johanna Quaas (pictured) did a tandem skydive from about 3,000 meters (9,800 ft) in 2016, dedicating it to Queen Elizabeth II? Source: "Für die Queen: 90-Jährige Hallenserin springt in Böhlen mit dem Fallschirm ab" [For the Queen: 90-year-old Girl from Halle Jumps off With a Parachute in Böhlen]. Leipziger Volkszeitung (in German). 5 June 2016. (https://www.lvz.de/Region/Mitteldeutschland/Fuer-die-Queen-90-Jaehrige-Hallenserin-springt-in-Boehlen-mit-dem-Fallschirm-ab)
- ALT2: ... that the world's oldest competitive gymnast Johanna Quaas (pictured) fulfilled a life's dream at age 90 by skydiving from about 3,000 meters (9,800 ft), which was a tandem jump with Olympic gymnastics medalist Eberhard Gienger? Source: "Für die Queen: 90-Jährige Hallenserin springt in Böhlen mit dem Fallschirm ab" [For the Queen: 90-year-old Girl from Halle Jumps off With a Parachute in Böhlen]. Leipziger Volkszeitung (in German). 5 June 2016. (https://www.lvz.de/Region/Mitteldeutschland/Fuer-die-Queen-90-Jaehrige-Hallenserin-springt-in-Boehlen-mit-dem-Fallschirm-ab)
- ALT3: ... that the world's oldest competitive gymnast Johanna Quaas (pictured) tore a tendon in her left biceps in 2018 while putting together a baby chair for her granddaughter? Source: "Johanna Quaas: Bizepssehne am Babystuhl gerissen" [Johanna Quaas: Torn Biceps Tendon on the Baby Chair]. www.gymmedia.de (in German). 5 November 2018. (https://www.gymmedia.de/Geraetturnen/Johanna-Quaas-Bizepssehne-am-Babystuhl-gerissen)
- ALT4: ... that the world's oldest competitive gymnast Johanna Quaas (pictured) began competing when she was a child but had to stop because of a gymnastics ban in East Germany? Source: Herholz, E. (20 November 2005). "Johanna Quaas... wenn es Weltmeisterschaften für Achtzigjährige gäbe..." [Johanna Quaas ... If There Were World Championships for Eighty-year-olds ...]. www.gymmedia.de (in German). (https://www.gymmedia.de/Geraetturnen/Johanna-Quaas-wenn-es-Weltmeisterschaften-fuer-Achtzigjaehrige-gaebe)
- ALT5: ... that the world's oldest competitive gymnast Johanna Quaas (pictured) also became proficient in team handball and was a member of the team that won the Eastern German Championship in 1954? Source: Tai, Janice (30 April 2017). "You're Never Too Old to Roll, Says 92-year-old Gymnast". www.straitstimes.com. (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/gymnast-92-youre-never-too-old-to-roll)
- Comment: This is my 4th DYK.

5x expanded by Eewilson (talk). Self-nominated at 01:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Hi there. I will review this DYK. I elect for ALT1. The article was sufficiently expanded. The hook was confirmed by a reliable source. No QPQ cause this is still your 4th nomination. Length is 175 characters so it is within the hook criteria. No copyright violations with the photo. Trillfendi (talk) 06:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, thanks! I appreciate your time and comments. ALT1 is my favorite and may be the most interesting, with two additional links, skydiving and Elizabeth II, to hook someone. Eewilson (talk) 12:04, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Trillfendi Is there anything I need to do before it goes from a grey check to a green check? That part is a bit confusing. If so, let me know. Thank you again for your time. Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 21:54, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting

What is the purpose of all the {{lang}} formatting around foreign cities and names? Where is the policy or guideline that says this should be included? I have been editing for 16 years and have never seen this before. Giant Snowman 13:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GiantSnowman, and thanks for commenting. You are likely much more familiar with the MOS and other guidelines than I am, so if there is a reason they shouldn't be there, I'm open to hearing it. They were tedious to add. This was my first update to an article containing text with many non-English words, so I tried to understand what was expected and read about the template. Template:Lang#Rationale explains the reasons succinctly, with a link to expansion in other areas of the MOS. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 13:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I mean - I am unaware of any guidance/policy that says they should be used, and I have never seen them before. I suggest they are removed as per my edit. Giant Snowman 13:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FOREIGNITALIC applies - it is italics for actual foreign words, not places or people's names like you have added. Giant Snowman 13:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. They should not be italicized which is why the italics parameter was set to no. However, they should still be marked as foreign words. Do you need me to spell out the reasons here from the MOS? – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 13:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, they should not. This is why in the example at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC 'Gustav I of Sweden' is not marked as 'foreign'. Giant Snowman 14:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In that example, 'Gustav I of Sweden' is not a non-English word or term, but knäckebröd and messmör are. Here are just five examples from the Johanna Quaas article that are non-English words with non-English pronunciations making the use of Template:Lang appropriate. There are many more.

Geißler
Hannchen
Turn-Oma
Hohenmölsen
Landes-Seniorenspiele

I'm not sure what you are not understanding. Are you objecting to the use of the lang template? Do you not understand its rational? When you made that edit, you removed everything related to handling non-English words within the article. Everything that could enable the pronunciation of the words for the visually-impaired was removed when you removed the lang templates. Please explain other than, "I am unaware of any guidance/policy that says they should be used, and I have never seen them before." I have now pointed you to the link to the rationale of the Lang template. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 14:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop speaking to me like I am an idiot and/or child. If you accept that "'Gustav I of Sweden' is not a non-English word or term", why did you add the lang template to names (including Geißler) and places throughout this article? Giant Snowman 14:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GiantSnowman, how about we take a break from this and come back to it another time? – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 14:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, this needs resolving now. Please explain why names in 'Gustav I of Sweden' do not need a lang template but names in this article do... Giant Snowman 14:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion is to restore my edit and then discuss which specific words you believe need the lang template. Giant Snowman 14:39, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]