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minus Removed is a report by Schlesinger about Niholas Winton. Does it have a place on the main article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.21.252.240 (talk) 06:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of whether it does, it's a copyright violation (and I've removed the link).--Bbb23 (talk) 22:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue that unless the copyright holder has a problem with the inclusion of that video (and I think I know who that is, and I doubt that he would), that video absolutely belongs up here on Schlesinger's bio. The reason is that Joe regards Winton as the man who saved his life, and thus, a person at the very center of his biography. I think this video ought to be re-posted here. --Maia 20:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electric.company.pics (talk • contribs)

Proposed substantial changes to Joe Schlesinger article

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Hello all,

Maia here, I'm a "new editor" and since I'm new to Wikipedia procedures, I'm posting this on both his talk page and the noticeboard of the BLP, in the hopes that one of these is the right place.

I tried to edit Joe's Bio yesterday, several times, and each time, everything I did was immediately undone. Which was frustrating. My intention was not to start an "edit war," but rather to improve the quality of his Bio by 1) correcting factual errors, 2) filling in key details of his career trajectory that are missing in his current page (essentially: Why did this guy get all these honours in the first place??) and 3) By prioritising some of his most pivotal achievements and biographical details over some of the more incidental ones.

To address your concerns over the the fact that I know Joe personally, and any concerns about my ability to write objectively about his life, I've gone back and added secondary sources to substantiate every detail that I'm proposing to add. Moreover, most of the text originated not from Joe himself, but was paraphrased from sources like the CBC. And that will be clear from my quotes and sourcing. I hope this will assuage any kneejerk reactions (like reflexively deleting the new material I'm proposing) and allow you to really read it, and give it a chance. I think you'll find this version paints a richer, fuller portrait of the man's life, and what he's meant to people over the years.


As a journalist, Schlesinger has frequently spoken of getting to the "heartbeat" of a story. To do this he provided simple, clear historical context, enabling viewers to understand the event, he weeded out extraneous details, and he found a way to tell the story "so viewers, or listeners, identify with what is happening." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/media/story/2009/06/09/joe-schlesinger.html)


I think this is essentially what we're trying to do here with his Bio. Let's try and come to a consensus.


Heres are the errors & large omissions in the current version: a) Joe didn't move to Bratislava as a child, his parents had lived there. He did however move to another part of czechoslovakia and regards it as his homeland. b) Nicholas Winton was the organizer of the kindertransports that brought Joe to Britain. But Winton had nothing to do with the Czech school Joe attended while there. c) After the war Joe returned to Prague, not Bratislava. d) When he left Czechoslovakia in the late 1940s for Austria, and then Canada, it was in response to the arrests of AP staffers by the communist regime. And leaving involved an elaborate escape across the "iron curtain." e) He started his career in Vancouver, and worked there longer than either Toronto or London. f) He didn't just work for the CBC, he was the boss of CBC News. And covered conflicts around the world for several decades. g) There are a number of other important omissions. I include them in the following:


Here's my proposed edit:


JOE SCHLESINGER

"His life as a foreign correspondent reads like a personal history of the second half of the twentieth century." - Governor General of Canada, 1994  (1)

Joe Schlesinger is a veteran Canadian journalist who for four decades has reported for CBC Television News from all over the world. (2)   Born in Vienna in 1928, Schlesinger was raised in Czechoslovakia. In 1939, after Hitler dismembered the country, Joe's parents sent him for safety to England. When he returned to Czechoslovakia at the end of World War II in 1945, he found his parents had been killed in The Holocaust.   Joe started his journalistic career in 1948 in the Prague bureau of the Associated Press. When communist Czechoslovakia started arresting AP staffers, he fled across the Iron Curtain and came to Canada. (3)   He became a reporter at the Vancouver Province and the Toronto Star, then an editor at the UPI bureau in London and at the International Herald Tribune in Paris.  

CBC YEARS:

In 1966 he joined the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in Toronto. He served as executive producer of The National and head of CBC TV News. In 1970, Schlesinger went overseas again, this time as the CBC's Far East correspondent based in Hong Kong. This was followed over the next 20 years by postings to Paris, Washington and Berlin. In 1991 he became the CBC's Chief Political Correspondent in Ottawa. Joe retired from the CBC news service in 1994, but has continued to contribute to CBC programs. (4)  

FOREIGN ASSIGNMENTS:

Schlesinger reported on wars in Vietnam and in the rest of Indochina, the '71 war between India and Pakistan, the guerrilla wars in Nicaragua and El Salvador of the eighties, the Israeli-Arab conflict at various times, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in '80, earthquakes in Italy, Iran and Romania, haute couture and haute cuisine in Paris, revolutions in Portugal, Iran and Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution in China. (5)  

Schlesinger has frequently stated that one of the highlights of his life was returning to his native Czechoslovakia, 50 years after having left as a refugee, and reporting on the "Velvet Revolution" that overthrew the communist regime. (6)  

A book of Schlesinger's memoirs, "Time Zones" was published by Random House in 1990 and became a best-seller. He won four Gemini awards, the John Drainie award for distinguished contribution to Canadian broadcasting and a Hot Doc award for documentary writing. “The Power of Good,” a documentary he wrote and narrated, won an International Emmy award in 2002. (7)  

In 1994, he was named a member of the Order of Canada. (8) He has been awarded honorary doctorates by the University of British Columbia, The Royal Military College, Carleton, Dalhousie and Queens Universities as well as the University of Alberta.  In 2009, he received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Canadian Journalism Foundation.(9)

"He is always intelligent, fair and accurate — a model for all young journalists," said former Globe and Mail managing editor Geoffrey Stevens, chairman of the jury that selected Schlesinger. "Viewers can always believe and learn from a Schlesinger report. He is one of the finest foreign correspondents this country has produced." (10)

Schlesinger has two daughters by his late wife Myra: Leah, a lawyer, and Ann, a molecular biologist. He and his partner, Dr. Judith Levene, a psychoanalyst, live in Toronto. (11)  


SOURCES:

1.   http://archive.gg.ca/honours/search-recherche/honours-desc.asp?lang=e&TypeID=orc&id=3392 2.   http://jewishottawa.com/page.aspx?id=205808 3.   http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/personality/joe_schlesinger 4.   http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/647082--joe-schlesinger-s-view-is-still-gritty-witty, http://www.jgstoronto.ca/index.php/calendar-mainmenu-55/speakers-biographies-mainmenu-174/345-joe-schlesinger, http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/platform-videos/the-hour-s5-paul-rudd-jason-segel-joe-schlesinger.html 5.   http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/personality/joe_schlesinger 6.   http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/platform-videos/the-hour-s5-paul-rudd-jason-segel-joe-schlesinger.html       http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn39qw_longtime-cbc-foreign-correspondent-joe-schlesinger-reflects-on-his-memories-of-czech-revolutionary-v_news 7.   http://www.iemmys.tv/awards_previous.aspx 8.   http://archive.gg.ca/honours/search-recherche/honours-desc.asp?lang=e&TypeID=orc&id=3392 9. http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/media/story/2009/02/26/schlesinger-award.html?ref=rss       http://www.jgstoronto.ca/index.php/calendar-mainmenu-55/speakers-biographies-mainmenu-174/345-joe-schlesinger       http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/media/story/2009/06/09/joe-schlesinger.html 10. http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/media/story/2009/02/26/schlesinger-award.html?ref=rss 11. Joe Schlesinger, personal communication  

--Maia 06:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Maia. Thanks for posting your suggested changes here. I'm sorry your initial efforts met with resistance, but conflict of interest situations are difficult to deal with. I'll take a closer look at your new draft over the next couple days, and get back to you. Best regards, The Interior (Talk) 06:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I appreciate that. --Maia 06:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I've started incorporating some of this content, but I'm having to rewrite it as there is some close paraphrasing and verbatim copying there, so far from the Jewish Federation of Ottawa bio. It would make my work much easier if Maia went over the rest of the content to make sure it is written in original prose. I do appreciate the research and listing of sources though. The Interior (Talk) 20:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can do that yes, although can't certain material be quoted if it's appropriately sourced? I will go over the text more closely. Also, while I appreciate your assistance, I'd like to make some of these edits myself. Now that I'm aware that you don't want Joe's hand on this any further, I can certainly agree to that.--Maia 02:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
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