Talk:Joab

People named Joab

There are quite a few people named Joab. Try Googling "Joab -David".--Nowa 19:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

How is "Joab" pronounced? Is it "jo-ab," so that its pronunciation is distinct from that of Job (Biblical figure)? --LostLeviathan 00:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is "jo-ab" F15x28 (talk) 04:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chronological Problem

David replaced Joab as commander of the army before the battle where Joab killed Absalom. Joab's "fall from favor" could not have been as a result of his killing Absalom. A more plausible reason would be military ineptitude or perhaps failing to field an army that could match the combined might of the other 11 tribes.

Fixing Disparities Between this Article and 1 Kings 2

At the end of David's life he tells Solomon how to deal with Joab and explains why (1 Kings 2:5). Therefore I am changing the section that says Solomon had Joab killed for supporting Adonijah's bid for the throne, and I am also amending the part that says that Joab fell out of favor with David for killing Absalom.

Where Yoav fled to

The HOLY TEMPLE had not yet been built at the time that Yoav and Adoniyya plotted against Shelomo. Yoav fled to the Tent of HASHEM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.99.82.209 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Source?

"Joab...is a common male name in contemporary Israel - in line with the tendency of Zionism to look favorably upon strong warriors of Biblical times and later Jewish history." - There are many people with Biblical names in contemporary Israel, and the choices are quite diverse. They are named after warriors, prophets, kings, judges, farmers, etc. Where did this conclusion stated here come from? Is it supposed to be a well known fact that this is a 'tendency of Zionism', or maybe someone's guess? Isn't a source needed when stating such a thing? — JustinX (talk • contribs) 01:26, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I reorganized the article, and have removed this claim, which is unsourced and subjective. "Not often" is relative, I found e.g. this family tree of a medieval Jewish family, with at least five Joabs. Anyway, this could be WP:OR, or just wrong, without references, there's just no way to verify it. And you're right of course, all kinds of biblical names are common among Jews: Benjamin, Eliezer, Daniel etc., many of them not warriors. Lindert (talk) 13:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All the same, it is rather notable, seeing that Joab is clearly described as a strong warlord who, yes, may be David's general on the one hand, but is a possibly inimical force David must come to terms with on the other hand, and whom David ordered to execute on his deathbed - for the expressly stated reason that he'd liked to have done so in his lifetime, but he never was strong enough, or the opportunity present, with all these unifying wars, civil wars, rebellions (Absalom, Adoniah), personal tragedies etc. to deal with. Now David certainly belongs in the first line of people a Jew will identify with and treat as a hero. Hence, a Jew calling his son Joab has something of a German calling his son Hagen (which, coming to think of it, does exist as a German name).--2001:A61:260D:6E01:DD51:39B0:CD6B:DC0 (talk) 10:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Uriah

I have rephrased the phrase that Joab "took part in David's murder of Uriah" to "colluded with David in the death of Uriah". Although it is often referred to as murder because David conspired to have Uriah killed in battle, I am hesitant to call it literal murder because as far as can be seen from the account, it was enemy troops who killed Uriah not Job or his men. (Compare this to deaths of Abner and Amasa.)Cloptonson (talk) 05:20, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is the intent that makes the murder, so although it was enemy troops, it still was a killing by David through Joab (though Joab, for once, could claim orders is orders). If there is any excuse, it would be that of a veiled execution of Uriah for disobeying the king's command (which was to go home and have a night of peace with his wife - did Uriah suspect something?), but even so it would still be a veiled, and hence treacherous, execution, and (in modern terms) the command would serve no legitimate purpose and hence be invalid (to slip a cuckoo child to someone else is not a legitimate military purpose). In any case, the mere fact that the death happened to come by enemy troops did not change David's (and Joab's) responsibility for it.--2001:A61:260D:6E01:DD51:39B0:CD6B:DC0 (talk) 11:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]