Talk:Jisr Jindas

Palestine Low‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Middle Ages Low‑importance

	Middle Ages portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Israel Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Bridges and Tunnels Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Bridges and Tunnels, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of bridges and tunnels on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Bridges and TunnelsWikipedia:WikiProject Bridges and TunnelsTemplate:WikiProject Bridges and TunnelsBridge and Tunnel articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

additional source

Conder, Claude Reignier and H.H. Kitchener: The Survey of Western Palestine. London:Committee of the Palestine Exploration Fund, 1881, II, (brief report: p.251.) (according to Petersen, p183...but I cannot find it. Typo?)-saw it on page 264, but its brief.

Text above moved from article for discussion. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oncenawhile: I wish you would´t have moved these articles into main-space yet! ...I had hoped to make them DYKs...Huldra (talk) 21:34, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Huldra:, oh no - sorry! It looked like they had been long forgotten for so many years.

I am happy to help get them over the line for DYKs - they're not too far off. We have five days! Would that help? Otherwise I can move them back? Oncenawhile (talk) 22:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oncenawhile:, And then you move Mausoleum of Abu Huraira??? Can you at least PLEASE move that one back....and I´ll try to make the two bridges DYKs, Huldra (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Huldra:, yes I know I only saw your note after I had moved it. I am sorry. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oncenawhile:, ok, thanks for moving the Mausoleum-article back, Huldra (talk) 22:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Huldra, I think both bridges are above the 1,500 character requirement now.

How about a hook as follows

...that Mamluk Sultan Baibars built two bridges near the towns of Jindas and Yibna in the outskirts of Ramla, now in Israel?

Oncenawhile (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Oncenawhile this article is not yet long enough, as quotations do not count. The Yibna bridge-article should be long enough, though. The hook is fine, I´ll be expanding this article, Huldra (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Oncenawhile now it should be long enough. Do you want to nominate it? (I´m going to expand it a bit more) Huldra (talk) 22:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jindas village

Hi Huldra, would you like to continue our collaboration by working together to create the article Jindas?

This is what I have been able to find so far:

The moshav of Ginaton was built nearby, apparently named after the priest named in Nehemiah 10. The polish version of the article at pl:Ginaton says Ginaton replaced Jindas.
It is conspicuously missing from our article List_of_Arab_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus#Ramle_Subdistrict
- It is included in a similar list by the Association for the Reconstruction of Emwas from 1989
The source below shows a photo of the "Tomb of Nabi Jindas"
- Benvenisti, Meron (1 March 2000). Sacred Landscape: The Buried History of the Holy Land since 1948. University of California Press. p. 192. ISBN 978-0-520-92882-4.

Also pinging @Al Ameer son: who may have access to good sources.

Oncenawhile (talk) 11:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oncenawhile, yes, lets. This is what I have found:

1596: p. 155: 35 Muslim households

1882: p. 251: a very small adobe hamlet

1945: p. 29: NB: land in use, but no inhabitants there
- alternative 1945 (Hadawi): pp. 67, 115, 165:

1948: Morris, 2004, p. xix village #223. Also gives cause of depopulation as “unknown”. (Morris isn´t really that reliable; what is more important is that Khalidi does not mention it among the depopulated -48-villages.) I suspect it should be in List of villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict; that is, depopulated before 1948.

Welcome To Jindas

Huldra (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks Huldra.

Here's another one: Khalidi, Walid (1992). All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948. Inst for Palestine Studies. ISBN 978-0-88728-224-9. A number of villages were eliminated on the basis of the field research, either because they were discovered to have been largely vacated before the commencement of hostilities (such as Umm Kubai in Nazareth district and Jindas in Ramla district) or because they were found upon field research to have been temporary agglomerations. The IPS working list was also carefully checked against the other existing lists, and discrepancies were looked into. A number of villages cited by some or most of the other sources were not included in the IPS list Zarra'a (Baysan), for example, was excluded.

Oncenawhile (talk) 23:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Versions of the crusader "Gendas" references are [1] and [2]. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

and p. 75, #293, from 1154, Huldra (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

..but your p. 32-reference is from 1129; the same year as the Cartulaire général de l'ordre des Hospitaliers-reference. And your second ref, [3] is from 1154; I believe it is the same ref as p. 75, #293? Huldra (talk) 23:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]