Talk:Jim Rivaldo

Jim Rivaldo is currently a Politics and government good article nominee. Nominated by — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) at 23:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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A fact from Jim Rivaldo appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 January 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that political consultant Jim Rivaldo said that moving to San Francisco made him realize that "there were gay lawyers, gay businessmen—a lot of people like me"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2025/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jim Rivaldo.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Jim Rivaldo consulted political campaigns for Harvey Milk in the 1970s and Kamala Harris in 2003?~~

Source: [1] Politics was as much a passion as a job for Jim Rivaldo, a veteran San Francisco political consultant who worked campaigns for candidates ranging from Harvey Milk and Ella Hill Hutch to Supervisor Bevin Dufty and District Attorney Kamala Harris.

ALT1: ... that gay political consultant Jim Rivaldo "used to think that all gay people were hairdressers"? Source: [2] “I used to think that all gay people were hairdressers,” Rivaldo said.
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Robot Alley

Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

"Consulted for" or "on", surely? Johnbod (talk) 04:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is a new creation, and is long enough and adequately source. I did not find any close paraphrasing. However, the provided QPQ is an incomplete review as it was a quickfail that only checked some of the DYK criteria. A full QPQ has to be provided for the nomination to proceed: due to the new rules regarding immediate QPQs, it would be ideal for a full review to be done promptly to replace the provided QPQ.

Among the two hooks, the second hook seems more interesting, especially for non-politics buffs. It is cited inline and verified. However, I do have some reservations regarding the hook, particularly if it might be considered offensive to LGBT readers and editors if the hook as currently written runs. I'm unsure if the hook as currently written is fine, or if will need to be reworded, but for now, my preference would be to go with some variation of it. In addition, other hook suggestions can also be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5:I have done a new QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Artificial intelligence rhetoric
I had the same concerns as you regarding my hook suggestions, so I will defer to the opinion of the promoter.— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also forgot to mention this in the review, but for DYK purposes, the footnote supporting the quote (the hairdresser one) needs to be repeated immediately after the quote, rather than just after the paragraph. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 19:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. To be on the safe side, I would suggest trying alternative wordings for ALT1 that could help make the context of the hook clearer and thus help avoid possible concerns about being offensive (maybe Theleekycauldron can help?), or maybe try additional angles different from the hairdresser one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Alright, how about this version based on the same quote:
ALT1b: ... that Jim Rivaldo, a campaign consultant for Harvey Milk, said that moving to San Francisco made him realize "that there were gay lawyers, gay businessmen—a lot of people like me"?

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 06:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feels long. Maybe just drop the mention of Milk? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed this reply. Yeah, I'd be fine with shortening it:
ALT1c: ... that political consultant Jim Rivaldo said that moving to San Francisco made him realize "that there were gay lawyers, gay businessmen—a lot of people like me"?
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 03:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that should work. As a compromise: despite my reservations, I will approve both the original ALT1 (or perhaps a version of it that mentions it was prior to his move to San Francisco) and ALT1b, and will leave the final decision to the promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]