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False claim: "First wife of a vice president or president to hold a salaried position during her husband's tenure"[edit]
No, don't delete this. The meaningfulness of the claim is about holding a real job throughout most or all of a first ladyship, not some tiny fraction at the end of a tenure. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And yet, it's simply not true. If your claim is about the meaningfulness, I'd argue that being a senator is a hell of a lot more meaningful than community college professor. I understand your point, and I'm going to change it to "during the majority of her husbands tenure". Zsrocks04 (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. This is why Wikipedia gets its reputation for pedantry. Hillary was First Lady of the United States for 2,922 days, of which she was a U.S. Senator for 17 days. Do you see how minuscule that is? It's about half of a percent. And here's the important part. Hillary maintained her career as a lawyer throughout her time as First Lady of Arkansas, and she could have continued on with that career once she became FLOTUS. But she chose not to. By comparison, Jill Biden did choose to continue her career when she became FLOTUS, and that career has become part of her first ladyship and her public image. That's the important distinction (and despite what you seem to think, community college professors can make a real difference in people's lives). Hillary has many important firsts – first and still only FLOTUS to run for office, to serve in elective office, to serve in a cabinet position, to get a presidential nomination – but first FLOTUS to hold a paying job is not one of them. That distinction belongs solely to Jill Biden. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. This is why Wikipedia gets its reputation for inaccuracy and bias. The goal should be accuracy, not making a point and altering the facts to give someone a "distinction." Zsrocks04's change preserves whatever point there is to be made, while having the distinction of also being accurate. John2510 (talk) 18:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parts are written hagiography-like. I haven’t had time to flesh out the entire article, but I found two specific parts in “Education and career, marriages and family” problematic.
”…several of her students there later recalled her as genuinely caring about them.” and “There she taught English composition and remedial writing, with an emphasis on instilling confidence in students.”
First point is supported by cite 43, but not something that belongs in an encyclopedic article, and second point is not justly represented as per its source of 45.
Based at least on the article title, I think the actual situation was that she convinced Joe Biden not to step aside. Otherwise, yes it is information that can be added, though I don't have the time to do so myself. Liu1126 (talk) 05:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Geardona (talk to me?) 18:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)