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– As per WP:COMMONNAME. We don't necessarily follow official names. The primer sourced by Minute.berger even admittedly states "Popularly called the Black Nazarene". A quick search from October 2024 (the date of the decree) yields mixed results with Black Nazarene still used. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that it is still colloquially called as the " Black Nazarene" in your search, but a quick skimming of official social media accounts of Quiapo Church yields that they are now implementing the name change. Please refer to the notice the Quiapo Church rector wrote in the notice in the approved missal text of the Feast of the Jesus Nazareno:
- "On October 3, 2024, Jose Cardinal Advincula decreed that the official title of Quiapo Church shall henceforth be the Minor Basilica and National Shrine of Jesus Nazareno (Basilika Menor at Pambansang Dambana ni Jesus Nazareno), St. John the Baptist Parish. This decree is “to further focus the people on the holy name of our Lord rather than a color or attribute of the statue” (Black Nazarene).
- "It is recommended for presiders and preachers to use “Jesus Nazareno” both in English and Filipino (just as we do not anymore translate Sto. Niño or Lorenzo in English) to establish commonality and to emphasize the holy name of Jesus which is actually the original titular of Quiapo Church and original reason and occasion for the January 9 fiesta celebrations."
- The official name of the Feast in the Philippine Ordo is Feast of the Jesus Nazareno (not Feast of the Black Nazarene). Quiapo Church now refers to Feast (both in liturgical and civic sense) as such.
- The edits made to indicate that it is still popularly called as "Black Nazarene" is enough. I hope we honor the changes made by RCAM and Quiapo Church on how it is officially called. Minute.berger (talk) 06:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I understand in a faith-sense the rationale seems sounds but WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS apply so Wikipedia usually follows what most RS is saying not just the official sources (which is a mixed bag of Black Nazerene and Jesus Nazarene). I can see in the future that Jesus Nazareno might catch up in the future as more mainstream outlets follow suit with the RCAM decree. Until now then, in my opinion the name should still be Black Nazarene. Wikipedia is not the RCAM and Quiapo Church admin and we follow our own protocols. Also WP:COMMONNAME too, hence we have Malacañang Palace, and not Malacañan Palace, Turkey and Turkiye. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support move to anything that has "Black Nazarene". Even English language ABS-CBN News Channel prefers this over "Jesus Nazareno"; if ever, Tagalog language usage prefers the transliteration "Itim na Nazareno". Howard the Duck (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are now news reports from the news outlet and its social media accounts now uses Jesus Nazareno then Black Nazarene. Examples:
- https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/nation/2024/12/30/comelec-warns-individuals-against-politicizing-traslacion-1523
- https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1255305245701531
- https://www.facebook.com/abscbnNEWS/posts/para-sa-mga-deboto-ng-jesus-nazareno-narito-ang-mga-petsa-na-dapat-tandaan-para-/1054709630037626/
- https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/nation/2024/12/27/manila-police-lgu-obstructions-to-be-cleared-before-traslacion-1024 (This even uses the term "Feast of Jesus Nazareno")
- https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/nation/2024/12/27/rutang-daraanan-ng-traslacion-2025-muling-ininspeksyon-2227
- https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/nation/2024/12/4/ruta-ng-traslacion-2025-ininspeksyon-disenyo-ng-andas-ng-jesus-nazareno-inayos-2253
- https://www.instagram.com/abscbnnews/reel/DEODhLupMHE/?locale=Online%2Bentertainment%2C%2Breal%2Bperson%2C%2Belectronic%2Bchess%2Band%2Bcards%2C%2Blottery%2C%2Bsports%2C%2Bcomprehensive%2Breputation%2B(Telegram%3A%2B%40UUjd888888).wnpl&hl=en Minute.berger (talk) 01:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- This news report from ABS-CBN has reported that there is now a change in calling the feast and the image as Jesus Nazareno: https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/nation/2024/12/4/ruta-ng-traslacion-2025-ininspeksyon-disenyo-ng-andas-ng-jesus-nazareno-inayos-2253 Minute.berger (talk) 01:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah it seems that Tagalog language usage is shifting to "Jesus Nazareno". I'd check English language refs later, but TV news in Tagalog does prefer the "Jesus Nazareno" term. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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