Talk:Jefferson Wood

COI

Now this I find very interesting. I have researched this article as is usual for Wikipedia and tried to source it as is customary. I have worked on this article for a long time. Within 30 minutes of publishing, a tag was placed on this article: {{coi}}

I live in the European Union and I am interested in graphic designers (I believe that they have contributed much to modern society, regardless of where they live). The Richard Goodall Gallery (which by the way is in the UK) even has a section devoted to modern poster artists. The fact that my sister is a graphic designer may also have to do something with this. But the suggestion that "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject" is simply ludicrous. I am the only contributor so far. And my close connection is the simple fact that I happened to be interested in graphic design. The Wikipedia is generally written by people who are interested in something they write about. Why else would you care? Jefferson Wood is an interesting graphic designer. He has made some interesting designs for major artists. He should deserve the recognition that has been denied so far. He is certainly notable enough (three major prizes). Although nobody has seemed to notice. That is why I wrote the article. It is brief, concise and well sourced. What else does Wikipedia want? If I were into policy (which I am not) I believe these are the first steps in the deletion of this article because somebody does not seem to like it.

Good luck everybody, this is my second to last article. I just remembered why I was retiring. Just trying to finish what I had started (or has that phrase been copyrighted by Bamber Gascoigne)?

And by the way. I believe that Boise is in Idaho, which I have been informed is in the United States. As most of the work done by Jefferson Wood is aimed at the US market, I fail to understand where this close connection seems to be coming from. Beside which, the work he does on posters is only a part of the work he and his company does. Bah. --JHvW (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I am curious what is wrong with this article. It seems pretty to the point. It doesn't go into any praise. It just states the verifiable facts. The author lives here in the EU, and I would doubt very much that he has any relationship whatsoever with this artist who lives in the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilhelmfitch (talk • contribs) 01:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

The article certainly appears to have been created by someone who is interested in Wood's wellbeing. I improved it somewhat. The comments on the images uploaded supports a COI, whether it's from a publicist or a fan. tedder (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

At this point I would like to add that I am neither a publicist nor anybody who is interested in the wellbeing of Jefferson Wood (to which I would like to add that I wish all people well but not Jefferson Wood specifically). And I could be considered a fan. But I will argue this below.

There is a substantial article on Toulouse-Lautrec, one of the first artists also recognised as a poster artist.

Respected publications like Billboard and the NME have brought popular music into the mainstream. Many teenagers have had posters in their bedrooms just as many dormrooms have had posters adorn their walls.

Billboard has estimated that in the past fifty years, thousands if not hundreds of thousands of posters have been produced. The fact that 25 are singled out, means that they are the pinnacle of their trade. As is usual in these polls, contemporary art is usually well represented. In this poll however, some of the older work, often mass produced by very simple means, is well represented.

The 25 Best Rock Posters of All Time on Billboard.com

Artist	Highest	Place	No of places	Wikipedia	Website
Hammerpress	25	25	1	No	[1]
Joe Whyte	22	22	1	No	[2]
Ward Sutton	21	21	1	Yes	[3]
Jefferson Wood	18	18	1	Yes	[4]
Globe posters	17	17	1	No	[5]
David Singer	16	16, 24	2	No	[6]
B & F	14	14	1	No	?
Dennis Loren	13	13, 15	2	No	[7]
Ames Bros	12	12	1	No	[8]
Wes Wilson	11	11	1	Stub	[9]
Randy Tuten	10	10, 20	2	No	[10] or [11]
Harry Rossit	9	9	1	No	?
Fantasy Unlimited	8	8	1	Yes	N.A.
Unknown	7	7	1	N.A.	N.A.
Bob Masse	6	6	1	Yes	[12]
Hatch Show Print	5	5	1	No	[13]
Emek	4	4, 19, 23	3	Yes	[14]
Frank Kozik	2	2	1	Yes	[15]
Rick Griffin	1	1, 3	2	Yes	[16]

In this list are posters for bands, most of which are now very well known. Yet the individual artists, who designed the posters are rarely mentioned, not even in Wikipedia. Another example of the influence of the poster and the credit for the designers.

What I find interesting is that Rick Griffin is recognised, yet I can not find one example of his work in Wikipedia. As Rick died in 1991, I find it hard to believe that no one, even his estate, has thought of illustrating his article with one or two examples of his work. A low resolution reproduction of the two posters that are in the top 3 of the list could be considered fair use and would provide an excellent example of this artist's work. Randy Tuten's poster for the Pink Floyd venue in San Francisco, is in my opinion a work of art and an excellent poster. Yet there is not an article on Randy Tuten in Wikipedia (and as I have retired, I will not create it). As Billboard has remarked, sticking a couple of eyes on an avocado to advertise Led Zeppelin is a very brave thing to do. Making it to Billboard's Top 25 is even more amazing.

Concerning the article on Jefferson Wood. Any contributor worth their salt, will know that writing a good article is difficult. Leaving out is sometimes more important than including. Jefferson Wood is in many ways an interesting artist. He combines old and new. He also produces his work for promoters rather than the trade. Which makes it very rare to find his work in a good or pristine condition. This has also meant that his work has become very collectible. A typical example can be seen here. Another article worth mentioning can be seen here. Look at the comment posted by "Bill Wyman". This is an accolade that is used often for Jefferson Wood. You will not find it on his website. I left it out because it is the opinion of fans and does nothing to improve the neutrality of the article.

The article is in Wikipedia, if other contributors in the community feel that the article needs changing, that is the Wikipedia way. It is not my article, but an article in Wikipedia. It is my wish that more articles are written on designers, especially people like Randy Tuten and David Singer or "invisible" people like Brad Klausen. These people have contributed significantly to popular culture and therefore deserve a place in Wikipedia. The fact that I am interested (or as is suggested "a fan"), has no bearing on the content of the article.

My apologies for venting my frustration, but this is my opinion, for what it's worth. --JHvW (talk) 10:43, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

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