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January 2014 recreation

I deleted the 2007-2013 version of the article because it was copied from a 2006 h2g2 article, currently hosted at http://h2g2.com/edited_entry/A14066408. See Wikipedia:Guide for h2g2 Researchers for further information on h2g2 copyright, and see WP:CPI for information on the speedy deletion procedure. I put the h2g2 article in the "External links" section, so readers who prefer the old content can read it there.

What remains is a one-sentence stub. We can't claim without attribution that de Clisson engaged in piracy for 13 years, because some accounts speak of a land war with only a couple naval encounters. I added some more reputable-looking sources in the "Further reading" section. Unfortunately, the better sources are written in Spanish or French, and most aren't readable online. Someone who is fluent in Spanish or French, and/or has physical access to the books, might be able to expand the article. The Dutch- and Spanish-language Wikipedia articles are also in better shape, so they could be translated here. There's more info at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia Projects. Cheers, Melchoir (talk) 09:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...specifically, the Dutch Wikipedia says (roughly, via Google Translate) "The legend developed around Jeanne de Belleville claims that she engaged in privateering for 13 years, but in documents from the court of Edward III, we know that Jeanne was allocated lands in Brittany that were in 1345 in the hands of the English." It's irresponsible to claim that she engaged in piracy "from 1343 to 1356", so I removed that part of the opening sentence, as well as the infobox that repeats it. Ideally we could come out and say that there is a legend that she engaged in piracy from 1343 to 1356... but even that claim about the legend would have to come from some source. Even the Dutch Wikipedia doesn't have one. And h2g2 isn't a sufficient source; after all, it talks about ghosts. Melchoir (talk) 10:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This accessible English-language website may be valuable, since it lists references: http://www.jamesadamshistoricenterprises.com/treasuretrove/jeandeclisson.html Melchoir (talk) 11:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What makes you think h2g2 didn't copy from Wikipedia? It seems more likely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.38.135.39 (talk) 11:27, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ordinarily, yes, that would be a strong possibility. In this case, the h2g2 article was written in 2006, and the Wikipedia article was started in 2007. So unless one of the websites is forging their dates, it's impossible that h2g2 copied from Wikipedia. Melchoir (talk) 11:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-read the relevant policies, and I think it might not be necessary to keep the history hidden, unless the content creator asks for it. I'll undelete the old revisions, so that anyone can compare the dates and content for themselves. (Of course, please do not take this as an opportunity to re-insert the copyrighted content.) Melchoir (talk) 11:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...Done! Melchoir (talk) 11:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Chronographia Regum Francorum mentions (Vol. II, p.206) that with many men she killed many French merchants at sea. Pat22 (talk) 13:24, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]