Talk:Jasminum sambac

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Synonymity

The article begins: Jasminum sambac (syn. Nyctanthes sambac) is a species of jasmine native to southwestern and southern Asia, ....

but I have a comprehensive Pilipino - English dictionary that says

sampaga n (Bot.) 1. a species of shrub (Jasminum sambac Ait.) with very fragrant white flowers bigger than those of sampagita.

sampagita n. (Bot.) a a spreading or sprawling, smooth shrub (Nyctanthes sambac Linn.) ....

Does anyone know if these are really synonyms or different species?

Ruszewski Ruszewski (talk) 06:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sampaga is Jasminum polyanthum according to the Tagalog Wikipedia (tl:sampaga). And Sampagita would be a diminuitive applied to Jasminum smabac (formerly known as Nyctanthes sambac). The problem with dictionaries is they often do not have correct taxonomic information. I've notice errors in other Asian dictionaries too with such regards. --Dara (talk) 18:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Species are regularly moved around in different genera really, merged with another one, or reclassified entirely, etc. Nyctanthes (which, btw, means "Night flower") was the original genus to which Linnaeus assigned the plant in 1753. Remember that Linnaeus, in a majority of cases, was working with preserved specimens brought back by expeditions. He never actually saw much of his specimens alive. It was reclassified to the genus Jasminum by William Aiton in 1789. Hence why the authority says "(L.) Aiton". And yeah a lot of books out here rely on very outdated stuff.--Obsidi♠n^Soul 01:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arabian Nights/Knights

Personally, I do not think this is an officially registered cultivar name. It seems to be a trade name in the US. It was imported by a nursery called TopTropicals. And every other information on this trade name seems to rely on information sourced from them. It seems to be a cultivar that is already common in Asia (and most likely goes by other name) but is relatively new to the US. It should be noted that the name for this cultivar in English seems to have been first published by that nursery.

Also, there seems to be no academic source (e.g. botanical journal) that mentions this cultivar. Obsidian, I noticed you even have a sourced reference for this article, but that source seems to get their information from TopTropicals. Even the pictures used on that site comes from <http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/jasminum_arabianknights.htm>. I don't believe this cultivar should be officially be listed with a trade name in this article. It should be noted that it is an unregistered cultivar (at least as far as I know). But it is popularly referred to as 'Arabian Knights' or 'Arabian Nights' because of TopTropical's influence in the nursery trade and on plant enthusiasts. TL;DR; Trade names should not be represented as officially registered cultivars. --Dara (talk) 05:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, go ahead and change them. :) Do note that I know absolutely nothing about J. sambac and its cultivars, except that they smell nice. Heh. I just took what I could from other sites based on their lists of cultivars. If you can improve the coverage on the cultivars, it'd be much appreciated. I'll remove the pictures and the entry now.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 07:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I commented them out.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 07:07, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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It has also been shown to have antibacterial, anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic, analgesic, antioxidant, gastroprotective, anti-cancer and anti-obesity effects.[citation needed] Besides, it works as an antidepressant.[27]

The cited article, https://zenodo.org/record/1210527/files/57.Jasminum, seems to be making extravagant and wild claims. Is it is a reliable source? 09:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeepleLikeYou (talk • contribs)

1) Your link above is doesn't work, but try this instead: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.1210527 2) Zenodo certainly seems legit; being funded by CERN is about as legit as you can get! However, it just makes available research from lots of different sources. In this case, the LD50 claim is from the INDO AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES." (I'm too lazy to re-type it in normal capitalization.) The paper in question lists many folk medicinal uses uncritically, as if this plant really is good fer whatever ails ya. Therefore I question whether this journal, or at least the paper, is a RS. 3) According to this paper, that LD50 of 5 mg/kg is in rats, not humans. 4) I suggest either deleting that one-sentence section on Toxicity or expanding it to include doubt about its authenticity. Dgndenver (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical Compostion

I've tried to sort out the garbled chemical names in this section, but I remain dubious particularly about the presence of natural siloxanes.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 12:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]