Talk:Japanese privilege

Questionable article

The notion of "Japanese privilege" is attested directly to one source. Even in that case, it is described as a phenomenon that occurs only within Japan. According to Deguchi's logic, ethnic Koreans would also enjoy "Korean privilege" in the Koreas that are difficult or impossible to access for ethnic minority citizens and residents (this would especially be the case in North Korea). As for "privilege" in apartheid-era South Africa, the sources mention both China and Japan as recipients of this, a detail the editor omitted. Park's point—which the editor who created this article deliberately distorts—makes clear that South Africa accorded them "honorary white" status begrudgingly out of short-term economic and political necessity.

Also concerning is the fact that the editor who created this article appears to have had racist messages displayed on their talk page until fairly recently, evidence of which is attested to in their talk page. It is one thing to accurately document the truth; quite another to distort it in order to pursue a crusade on behalf of pet nationalist/supremacist beliefs. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Didn't Binksternet say on the talk page of the white privilege article? Japanese privilege does not come from Japan alone. Mureungdowon (talk) 23:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

You're deliberately ignoring the race hierarchy. Do you think South Koreans' sense of superiority over Pakistani or Vietnamese and South Koreans' sense of anti-imperialism against Chinese or Japanese are equally harmful? Japanese privilege is an example of racial hierarchy. Mureungdowon (talk) 23:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

In South Korea, "Hate of Japanese" rarely exists. Likewise, South Koreans do not abhor white people. However, South Koreans show a sense of racial superiority or even an exclusive perception of Vietnamese or black people. Racism against Japanese in the United States is more of a simple xenophobia than a racial hierarchy, and likewise there is racism against white people in Japan. But on average, the Japanese are in a similar position to white people in terms of race hierarchy. Mureungdowon (talk) 23:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

You have white guilt, but you never consider what Japanese mean to Koreans. You do not admit that the Japanese are the same perpetrators and race vested interests as the whites. Japan was the only colonial empire in Asia. Japan is economically richer than Germany or France. Unlike Japan, South Korea has many BLM supporters and even officially BLM supports the right-wing PPP. Critical race theory should apply not only to whites but also to Japanese. Mureungdowon (talk) 23:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I literally have no idea what you're talking about—I'm not even White—or what this has to do with the concerns addressed in my post. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Why are you obstructing my editing while denying Japanese privilege? I've never done a 'supremacist' edit. Korean anti-Japanese nationalism usually appears on the left, so Koreans do not claim to be superior to Japanese. It is true that I have aggressively criticized Chinese and Japanese people on my user page in the past, but I have never made such edits in general articles. Mureungdowon (talk) 00:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Again, none of this is relevant to the concerns addressed in my post. Whether according to you or Deguchi's logic, the point still stands: privileges conferred to the citizens/ethnic majority of their home nation isn't something exclusive to Japanese. Even if this peculiarity to the Japanese were true, your sources don't confirm this. It doesn't help that you've obfuscated or distorted them to suit your purposes.

Other things in here also make no sense. Do Japanese really enjoy "privileges" in South Korea? Even if this were somehow true, in no way are they regarded as superior to Koreans. And definitely being Japanese is less than advantageous in North Korea.

This article would be better served by being merged into another one re. Japanese nationalism or exceptionalism. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

The Japanese are the same colonialist perpetrators as white people. In the first place, white privilege itself is not irrelevant to colonialism. I want the Japanese privilege article to be retained Mureungdowon (talk) 01:05, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

North Korea is a very radical anti-imperialist country. And unlike South Korea, North Korea has removed Chinilpa to some extent. Therefore, I did not add the case of North Korea to the Japanese privilege article. However, in South Korea, Japanese privilege exists in part. Mureungdowon (talk) 01:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Critical race theory can explain the racial hierarchy of Japanese and non-Japanese Asians. Once again, the Japanese are historically the only colonial imperialist perpetrators in Asia, and modern Japanese nationalists still believe they are similar to Europeans. Japanese privilege exists even in regions other than Japan as of 2023. Mureungdowon (talk) 00:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

This article needs to be re-written from scratch by an expert on the topic, or it should be merged into Racism in Japan. The parts about South Africa are misrepresenting the sources, and should be removed as off-topic. The existing article Racism in Japan deals with the topic in a summary style and is much clearer about how the first ethnic racism of Japan is against indigenous groups such as the Ainu and Okinawans. Second is racism against Koreans (South and North), Chinese, and all other Asians. Third is racism against foreigners living in Japan. The first and second types are what have been identified as a parallel to white privilege by a few observers. The fact that Mureungdowon deleted the racist themes on their user page is very concerning. Binksternet (talk) 00:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

First and second, that's why the Japanese privilege article should be maintained. Mureungdowon (talk) 00:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)