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I have rewatched Dave’s videos on the topic of Tour and the DI a lot of times and I think that an in depth criticism of James’s videos should be made to make it clear via the page why people critique him Mormissen (talk) 07:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't let the gatekeepers put you off. It is obviously not OR to accurately report what a source says.
Do note that you're largely wasting your time here, though, because this page is regularly sanitised by Tour's supporters, regardless of how well-sourced any criticism is. (Indeed, when Tour's own words are too embarrassing to his side, they also will be judged to be unsuitable quotes and removed.) They have a lot invested in keeping up the appearance of a man of science whose creationist apologetics have weight. 2A00:23C5:CF37:4001:E416:6FD1:A898:8B9B (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What seems obvious to you may be clearly false to people with a clue. This is the case here. And those who reject the insertion of Tour's claims are not "Tour's supporters". I think he is full of shit, and Wikipedia's rules forbid us to be his megaphone. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While im currently not in the mental headspace to comment much on this right now, I feel like saying “Wikipedia’s rules prevent us from being his megaphones” is probably also what Scientologists said before they were excluded from Wikipedia.
While I do feel I made the edit too editorialised due to my newness to Wikipedia editing, there is also a fair POV where it could have just been edited, instead of completely undone as it added important information Mormissen (talk) 08:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
is probably also what Scientologists said What bullshit. If they said it, find the quote of them saying it. And if you think I did something that justifies "excluding" me, say what it is.
Your newness is the reason why you do not recognize that we need reliable sources talking about Tour's nonsense. If we no not have those, no amount of editing will help. --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A youtuber is not a reliable source. Especially, since some of his content is potentially libelous. His videos made allegations of plagiarism and Rice University found the allegations to be false. Youtube clips from a biased source are not appropriate for a biography of a living person. PerseusMeredith (talk) 23:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When there is already a section about the debate I personally feel like background it’s important, and as the only written articles are either:
This article
Evolution News (DI controlled so obviously pro Tour bias)
Six days (which I assume based on the name is also creationist)
Tours university
A singular Reddit thread
And a bunch of YouTube videos, I feel like showing the actual videos where you can for yourself see exactly how Farina and Tour each said their claims are the only things that could be roughly defined as useable for this Mormissen (talk) 10:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
