Talk:James Stewart, 5th High Steward of Scotland

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the James Stewart, 5th High Steward of Scotland article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Biography: Military / Politics and Government / Royalty and Nobility

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	This article is supported by the military biography work group (assessed as High-importance).
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as High-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility (assessed as High-importance).
	An editor has requested that an image or photograph be added to this article.

Military history: Biography / British / European / Medieval C‑class

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history

C

This article has been rated as C-class on the project's quality scale.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military biography task force
	British military history task force
	European military history task force
	Medieval warfare task force (c. 500 – c. 1500)

Scotland Low‑importance

	Scotland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Scotland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Scotland and Scotland-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ScotlandWikipedia:WikiProject ScotlandTemplate:WikiProject ScotlandScotland
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Medieval Scotland Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Medieval Scotland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Medieval Scotland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Medieval ScotlandWikipedia:WikiProject Medieval ScotlandTemplate:WikiProject Medieval ScotlandMedieval Scotland
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Clear up marriage issue?

From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy shown that James Stewart was married to Egidia de Burgh and had children:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#James5Stewartdied1309

Can anyone clear up or follow up this marriage issue? I don't have any access to the original sources that placed Cecilia being married to the 5th High Steward, not Egidia.

Interestingly: Egidia was also known as Gille de Burgh: http://www.thepeerage.com/p466.htm#i4655

Thanks! Sundehul 17:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Just happened to notice the existence of Cecilia de Dunbar being married to James:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10792.htm#i107918

However, FMG have no citation of her being married to James. I have no way of getting FMG editors to check out or update the information. I tried it with them last year on other issues but no follow-up from them. :( Sundehul 18:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a member of the FMG. I will check. Many of these women lived short lives. He may have married twice. Regards, David Lauder (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I appreciate that! :) Sundehel 17:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the American actor the primary use of the name, "James Stewart"?

There is a discussion going on about moving the James Stewart dab page to James Stewart (disambiguation) to make room for moving James Stewart (actor) to James Stewart on the basis that the American actor is the primary meaning of "James Stewart".

That would mean anyone looking for the topic of this article (or any other "James Stewart") by searching for "James Stewart" would get sent to the article about the American actor rather than to the dab page.

The discussion is here. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Birth & Mother Issue

Suggestion of Birth c1260 and Mother as Jean McRory would mean birth of Jean Mcrory shown as c1208 would be off as the difference is 52 Years, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.173.243 (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This may help clarify the birth of James. There is a Charter, under the Great Seal, which you can find at Vol 1 of the Register of the Great Seal on page 114, Charter No. 6. The Charter is a confirmation Charter by Robert II of one by Alexander III regarding the transfer of authority by Niall, Earl of Carrick to his nephew Roland of Carrick. The original Charter seems to be dated at Stirling in the 27th year of the reign of Alexander III which would make it 1276 which is broadly consistent with the Wikipedia discussion on Niall,_Earl_of_Carrick. On page 115 of the source you will note three witnesses to the original Charter by Alexander III: Alexander, Stewart of Scotland; James, stated as his son; and a Richard of Stratoun (a Midlothian family, later of Lauriston). If this Charter is dated 1276 and James was a witness to it he must have been born earlier than 1252 as age was not reached until 24 at that time. Family locator (talk) 05:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage and issue

This is what the text says now:

"Sir John Stewart (before 1268 – 1318), killed 14 October 1318 at the Battle of Dundalk.[5] He followed his father as a signatory of the Turnberry Band on 20 September 1286, so may be his son by Cecilia since her father and brother were also signatories."

This is simply not true. The Turnberry Band has its own Wikipedia page which has the whole text. It is clear that the Sir John who follows on is the BROTHER - NOT the son of the Steward. So I am altering the text to read

"Sir John Stewart, killed 14 October 1318 at the Battle of Dundalk.[5]"Freuchie (talk) 09:14, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]