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Like who cares what his parents did for a living sounds like someone's trying to water down this tragedy and this nutcase — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.204.33 (talk) 17:01, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

The Red Light Camera Ticket

Today I added a mention of Holmes' July 10 red light camera ticket (revealed yesterday by TV9), as the receipt of the ticket could have helped to push Holmes over the edge. WWGB then deleted the item, without noting why. I will add it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Einsteininmyownmind (talk • contribs) 11:24, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

And I deleted it again. It has no apparent relevance to the shooting incident. WWGB (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
I added it back. I explained the relevance, above.Einsteininmyownmind (talk) 11:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
You explained nothing but a completely unsubstantiated opinion. WWGB (talk) 12:48, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
This *cough* "news" *cough* is completely bogus This Link shows that this Picture was uploaded apparently by the same person who fraudulently forwarded the mail of Holmes and filled those False Motions! please keep the article Clean of any Conspiracy thanks! --Fox2k11 (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the item, but not because of the objections above. I looked again at the TV9 video and its image of the ticket showed a mailing date of the 20th, making it impossible for Holmes to have received the ticket in the mail. He possibly could have seen the flashes when he was at the intersection - even though it was near noon the flashes were directly in front of him while the sun would have been more than 90 deg. to his right - and we may get more info about that when the gag orders are lifted and Holmes' electronic correspondence becomes public. Fox2's claim that "This news is bogus" is ambiguous, but if he is suggesting that the ticket is a fake, I would submit that there is no evidence, anywhere, that anyone made up the ticket from whole cloth. I have seen a lot of red light camera tickets and this one looks quite real. And it could end up being newsworthy in another way. The yellow - as measured by the red light camera - was 2.9 secs. long, below the federal minimum of 3.0.Einsteininmyownmind (talk) 23:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
I have not said that the ticket is fake i just mentioned that the picture was uploaded obvisouly by the *same* man who also Forwarded *his* (holmes) mail Fraudulently and also it is obvious that *he* filled those false Motions to the court so I think it's safe to say that these photo or news (you name it) does not meet WP:RS all *he* does is making stuff up out of thin air and can be considered Conspiracy go and read those false motions and you will agree! --Fox2k11 (talk) 07:32, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
what truly happened in this case we will likely never know maybe when the Trial is over or the gag-order is gone and only then it might be of encyclopedic worth! nevertheless hearsay and gossip is not! --Fox2k11 (talk) 13:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Hear say is what prevented the police from investigating information concerning a credible threat because they cannot investigate hearsay. 21:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
While I agree that there's no reason to include the ticket and surrounding information at present since it's not relevant, I do want to point that this is not because of a hearsay rule akin to that in a court of law. If this incident is discussed in the newsmedia (which constitute the clear majority of sources in this article), then it would be worthy of inclusion with appropriate discussion, regardless of whether it is hearsay or rumor. siafu (talk) 16:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Motive

No offence, but we have no proof of this relationship. Even if it were to be proven it still wouldn't have a place here, as articles rely on third party reporting. — Huntster (t @ c) 22:39, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Unsealed Documents

Here is a link to the unsealed court documents, obviously the most valuable primary source for this article. http://www.courts.state.co.us/Courts/District/Case_Details.cfm?Case_ID=152BWCBENCERVS (talk) 01:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Pages for Mr. Holmes' Victims

If we've made an article for him, then I think we should make articles for Mr. Holmes' victims. I believe they should count as just as notable, as it was a notable killing, a notable event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.42.226 (talk) 07:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

First, "Mr" Holmes does not yet have any victims, he is not convicted. Second, none of the deceased satisfies any notability guidelines. WWGB (talk) 07:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
In the judicial system of the United States, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Wikipedia strongly attempts to mirror this idea; we can say he is accused of something, but we must not state as a certainty that he committed these acts until a trial proves his guilt. Also, I strongly suggest you stop making threats against other editors to report them; this is highly inappropriate. It is obvious you have very strong opinions against this person, and I can only suggest you avoid making edits whilst in this frame of mind. I don't believe anyone thinks Holmes is innocent, but stating for a fact that he is guilty is inappropriate until conviction. — Huntster (t @ c) 05:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
"Meaning that he is guilty"? Knock it off, please. Huntster is entirely right. Meanwhile, you, BWCBENCERVS, appear curiously underinformed about matters of law, especially given the confidence with which you pronounce on them. And as is made very clear in the pink message titled "Notice to editors" that appears when you make an edit, this talk page is not the place for you to express your opinions on Holmes, his actions or his culpability: if you wish to express them, please do so in some other website (perhaps in your own blog). Incidentally, your notion of reporting some editor's actions to "a higher editor" displays a hazy grasp of Wikipedia as well as law: Wikipedia doesn't have "higher editors". It does, however, have administrators, whose patience has limits. -- Hoary (talk) 13:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
That logic is certainly sound, but it does not apply to how Wikipedia articles should be written. As you said, "you might be guilty". Such guilt must be determined either by an admission of guilt in court or by a jury of peers, not by the general public making statements of facts on such matters. As I said earlier, I don't think anyone has any real question about his role in this situation, but it is not our place to make such statements in what should be an encyclopaedic article on the subject. — Huntster (t @ c) 06:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
For whatever information you wish to add to the article, why don't you gather some reliable and objective sources for that information and post them here for discussion? Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean regarding "blue editors". Regardless, the suggestion was that you post here, to the Talk page, your suggested additions or changes to the article and include links to appropriate reliable sources. Just remember that what you know, personally, can only be added to the extent that it is backed up by reliable secondary sources. JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it's so funny how you all just completely changed the subject, ignoring the point I was trying to make. WHY not make pages dedicated to the victims of the 2012 Aurora shooting?--174.102.42.226 (talk) 20:34, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Suppressed material

I have suppressed a great deal of libelous and defamatory material. Because it was in the article for long periods of time and repeatedly readded, a great many other edits by other editors also had to be suppressed. I'm sorry about that. The solution is to immediately remove unsourced defamatory material then huge chunks of material do not need to be suppressed, only a few edits. User:Fred Bauder Talk 03:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

If there are frequent problems, semi-protecting the article for a stretch of time might help. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Margin needs editing

Because one of the links in the source is very long, the margin on the right extends many pixels too far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.183.201 (talk) 05:28, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any problem currently. Is this problem still occurring for you (or for any other editors)? If so, which link is it? — Huntster (t @ c) 02:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Prostitution

So apparently Holmes may have based his red hair on the red hair of one prostitute, bruised her, and paid for but did not have sex with a hooker one week before the shootings. I'm not sure how trustworthy these stories are. Apparently these might just be based on fabricated rumors originating from gossip sites like TMZ. Have a look:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181025/James-Holmes-Denver-Dark-Knight-killer-paid-prostitute-sex-just-week-massacre.html
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-25/news/32853154_1_dark-knight-rises-batman-star-christian-bale-tmz
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-30/news/32927540_1_roxanna-prostitute-james-holmes

--Xagg (talk) 22:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Improper formatting in section titles

I can't change this as I'm not registered, but will someone please note and correct the section title capitalization formatting? Rather than titles like "Personal Life" and "Education and Career", proper formatting on Wikipedia calls for only the first letter to be capitalized. It should be "Personal life" and "Education and career". That would be great. Thanks. 69.137.251.140 (talk) 22:46, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done ZappaOMati 23:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Exemption Doctrine Policy and Photo

Can an wiki Exemption Doctrine Policy be agreed to concerning a photo on this article?

I do believe the picture of Holmes with dyed red hair is important to the article because it best depicts why he is a suspect in the Aurora Theater Shooting. The verbal explanation in the article does not provide as much information as the photo. This photo is important to the commentary and context of the article. Thelema418 (talk) 02:49, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

The photo was deemed fair use by an admin following a FfD discussion, see Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2012 August 12#File:James Holmes, cropped.jpg. WWGB (talk) 13:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Please update the tense of one sentence

In the section titled "Detention and court appearance" there is a sentence towards the bottom which begins with: "Holmes will be back in court January 7, 2013..."

This is past tense as January 7th has already occurred. Thanks! 67.131.130.14 (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Conversion to Islam

There are a few sources reporting today that Holmes has converted to Islam. Given that the primary source is the Daily Mail, who quote an unnamed source, I feel that this needs to be taken with several large grains of salt. The information has already been added twice by an IP; I feel pretty strongly that this shouldn't go into the article until we have much greater corroboration. Euchrid (talk) 02:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I am the one that initially put it up. Most of the other articles reporting just refer to the Daily Mail, so IF people want different sources, after their 'own' investigation of the so-called fact Egan converted, wait. If not, put it back. Kennvido (talk) 12:19, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Whether he has or not, it is irrelevant anyway. Who cares? WWGB (talk) 12:26, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
You have a valid point... this guy? Who cares? Kennvido (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
It would be relevant to a biography page such as this. It however does not have reliable sources supporting it as true. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:31, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

There is information on Holme's conversion to Islam on Robert Spencer's website Jihad Watch as well. As far as whether his conversion is relevant, it completely is. Holmes has stated that his attack was a personal Jihad and that his victims were infidels. The only reason that this information is kept out of the main article and the media is because of the swarm of political correctness around talking about Islamic Jihad.

Exclamation point and a bad sentence

Why is the sentence at the end of the page of prosecutors seeking death penalty ended with an exclamation point? Doesn't seem neutral or professional. Also there is this sentence in the last section " It's information that up until then had not been released." If you are reading this sentence is choppy and really breaks the flow of reading. It should be re written or phrased into another whole sentence already there somehow. Hope I'm doing this right since it's protected so I can't edit myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.146.68 (talk) 16:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

well I don't see much of an issues with that exclamation mark.. and yes you're right I'm not a professional but the sentence you mentioned is not of my origin... however it's fixed already! --Fox2k11 (talk) 18:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:Islam

Articles for Victims of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado Killings

If Mr. Holmes is notable as a suspected perpetrator of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado massacre, then why not make articles for the victims of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado massacre? It would seem they, too, would serve as notable as they were killed in this obviously noteworthy event.174.102.42.226 (talk) 06:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

No, you should read WP:VICTIM. Perpetrators attract notability through their deeds. Victims only attract notability if they in turn have done something notable, like Victoria Leigh Soto. WWGB (talk) 08:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I did look at it. It says 

  "Where there are no appropriate existing articles, the criminal or victim in question should be the subject    
   of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies:
   The victim... consistent with WP:BLP1E had a large role within a well-documented historic event."

Their being murdered was a large role in the 2012 Aurora shooting, which considering it has a Wikipedia article dedicated to it, would imply Wikipedia considers it to be a well-documented historic event.--174.102.42.226 (talk) 22:41, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I once Created an Article-stub for one of the victims of the aurora shooting in the end the census of the deletion discussion was delete per WP:BLP1E so save yourself the time if you don't have enough resources of an Victim that would make him or her enough notable to have a standalone article like WWGB already mentioned f.e Victoria Leigh Soto Fox2k11 (talk) 21:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Honors Societies

I deleted the sentence listing him as a member of Phi Beta Kappa and Golden Key because the linked article listed a single unnamed source as stating he was a member. The assertion is thus unverifiable and, in light of the quality of our fast-paced news source, dubious. An accurate rendering of this information, based on the single source, would read, "A claimed acquaintance told an MSN reporter that Mr. Holmes was a member of X and Y", which would be immediately deleted. IF someone quoted a school newspaper listing inductees (which schools tend to run) that would be another matter altogether. For now, someone has added the honor societies back based on anonymous hearsay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.18.249 (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

What about a photo?

Preferably one with his bright red hair where he's all pretty like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.39.46.34 (talk) 11:08, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

That sounded flippant but I do think there should be a photo, since his image in the media was iconic in an infamous kind of way.

Elliot Ridgwell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.39.46.34 (talk) 11:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Holmies?

Should there be mention of Holmies in the article or not? They've gotten quite a bit of media attention and the phenomenon has become an internet meme. FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Presumed Guilt & Lone Wolf Theory

I added a neutral POV tag to the section detailing Holmes' involvement in the shooting at the theater in Aurora. There is no account for the several eyewitnesses who claim that there were multiple men acting & it is written as a narrative presuming that Holmes acted alone, which is unlikely. Ferociouslettuce (talk) 23:28, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

There is no presumption of guilt. Eyewitness statements are WP:PRIMARY sources and frequently unreliable. Your opinion on the likelihood of the prosecution's narrative of events being true is not relevant. A NPOV tag is not warranted. VQuakr (talk) 04:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Edit request in "personal life" section

Clarification is needed in the last paragraph. It should mention that the information is from her court room testimony.

"In October 2011, he began dating a student in his biology class, Gargi Datta. Their relationship lasted for about two months and ended when Datta felt distant from him following an encounter between Holmes and another man who talked to her during a date on Saint Patrick's Day. According to her, Holmes often made flat jokes that made other people feel uncomfortable and expressed his desire to kill people, to which she tried to recommend getting professional help despite not taking his claims seriously. They resumed their relationship in early 2012, but it ended again in February.[33][34][35]"

change to

"In October 2011, he began dating a student in his biology class, Gargi Datta. According to her court room testimony in his trial, their relationship lasted for about two months and ended when Datta felt distant from him following an encounter between Holmes and another man who talked to her during a date on Saint Patrick's Day. According to her, Holmes often made flat jokes that made other people feel uncomfortable and expressed his desire to kill people, to which she tried to recommend getting professional help despite not taking his claims seriously. They resumed their relationship in early 2012, but it ended again in February.[33][34][35]" Rajkancherla (talk) 20:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Move Most of Article to 2012 Aurora shooting

As is often the case with a subject that is notable only for a single event, most of this article is about the 2012 Aurora shooting. Most of that content should be merged with the article about the shooting. The main problem is not that the same event is covered in two articles, although that is a problem. The main problem is that both articles about the event (in this case the shooting) develop independently and inconsistently. Therefore, it is best to have all coverage of the event in the article about the event, so that all editors with interest in that subject focus their attention on one article. That will assure that the best content and source are gathered in one place. This article's content about the shooting should be reduced to a very brief summary, in my opinion.—Finell 21:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Motive

James Eagan Holmes is a coward who decided to commit mass murder due to his girlfriend at the time deciding to leave him for a better opportunity or better man. Anyone who disputes this is a liar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.188.243 (talk) 09:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Suicide attempts

What the article currently says:

Evidently, Holmes made various suicide attempts referred to as "half-hearted" in days before the scheduled hearing on November 15.

Videos of these incidents became available last week or so, and apparently at least one of them was also discussed with a psychologist. He might have offered different explanations if he talked about them more than once (similar to how he described different reasons for pictures on his phone, which may have referred to pictures of himself or other pictures as well), but he told one psychologist that the reason for falling off his bed was that it had to do with faith. Sort of like those business training events where you fall backwards and other people catch you. It appears that he curls forward just before hitting the ground, so his head doesn't hit first. Based on this and his explanation, it might not be accurate to describe that as a suicide attempt.

For the other time, it does appear he runs at a wall and hits it with his head. I don't know if he offered an explanation for why he did that. 2601:600:8500:B2D9:39C2:C75C:DEF0:5B44 (talk) 04:20, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

When I met this person and he described his plans to me in person, he stated that suicide attempts would be part of his cover up to appear more crazy then he actually is. Apparently he was good enough to delude one foolish juror into believing him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.188.243 (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Section for Verdict and Sentencing

Request: I think there needs to be a separate section or subsection for trial verdict and sentencing.

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Edit request - August 7, 2015

The jury found that Holmes 'did not intend' [to] kill children', but he killed a little girl anyway... shouldn't "American murderers of children" be added? --LLcentury (talk) 23:47, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

 Not done As noted in the summary for that category: "This category does not include spree killers, people who commit multiple murders in a rapid time span, with the exception of those which are targeted at children specifically, such as a school shooting." VQuakr (talk) 21:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Wait so by targeting a place where their is a high chance to be children around no matter what time the screening is, but by avoiding a school, he avoids the American murderers of Children category? I thought this was more like if A and B then C, not If A but also not C but also B then I have unlogiced this for no reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.188.243 (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

sentencing detail missing in article

12 consecutive life sentences or 12 concurrent life sentences ? 99.251.239.140 (talk) 22:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Prison life

Why is there no need to include his prison life. The assault was notable per the sources. please explain. --JumpLike23 (talk) 18:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Just because something is reported in a reliable source doesn't mean it should be included in the article. Anything that happens to this particular prisoner is bound to be reported in the media because of his notoriety. By the same token, Holmes is bound to have an eventful prison life for the same reason. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, Holmes's notability stems from the murders, not from his post-conviction life, which could go on for years given his youth. Still, if there's a consensus for adding this material, I'll defer to it, of course.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I tend to agree with you there and there are other policies that support that. Thanks. --JumpLike23 (talk) 19:47, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Longest sentence ever!?

Why is James Holmes is sentenced to 3318 years in prison on the 26th of August 2015? It is a very, very long, long sentence ever than Ariel Castro's sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.127.176 (talk) 08:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

James Holmes will be in prison until 5333. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.127.176 (talk) 08:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Onset of various reported problems

Anyone else interested in improving this? Are there any authorized transcripts (I know they'd be primary sources only) or unbiased authoritative reviews of his psychiatric statements and evaluations? Currently in this WP article:

"According to Holmes' lawyer, Daniel King, Holmes began to suffer from mental health issues in middle school and attempted suicide at age 11" - source to two articles with chronological reports of the defense's opening statements, which are not themselves evidence/testimony, as I understand it.

"According to Holmes, during his childhood, he was frightened of what he called "Nail Ghosts" that would hammer on the walls at night." The subsequent nearest source (ABC) says "afraid of "Nail Ghosts," which would come out of the wall in his bedroom at night." The one at the end of the paragraph (CNN) says "His childhood was haunted by night terrors in which "Nail Ghosts" hammered on the walls"

"He would also see shadows and "flickers" at the corners of his eyes, which would fight each other with firearms and other weapons" - the context makes it seem this is, or at least could be, since his childhood. But his notebook says in regard to 'quick fleeting movements in peripheral vision' that "onset unknown but [greater than] one year ago]".

"Holmes was depressed and "obsessed with killing for over a decade"" - that's per the source attached to that sentence (CNN). The source prior says "He has been depressed and obsessed with murder since about age 14, he says, because it was the only viable alternative to suicide." How to clarify the nature of these thoughts - like the nuclear holocaust comments he's made or like specific intended victims at his hand?

[I see his notebook, apparently written shortly prior to the shooting, also talks about 'catatonia developed recently, often lasts for 3 to 5 hours in the middle of the day' - as well as 'brief periods of invincibility actions are in hyperspeed. Developed in last three months'.] <- this seems important?

'Reviewers of Holmes's application at UIUC remembered his application because he submitted a picture of himself with a llama.' - Someone presumably found this amusing but the relevant importance is not mentioned and the cited source is actually talking about how the application was accepted and apparently didn't undermine at least officially his credibility as a scientist. http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Man-Accused-in-Colo-Shooting-Was-Accepted-to-UIUC-165807536.html

Neurohz (talk) 11:39, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Two sources on the psychiatric issues of relatives:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/28/us/james-holmes-trial-colorado/ Robert Holmes referred in his testimony to "two breakdowns" his twin sister suffered but said he never learned the diagnosis. His own father suffered from some sort of mental illness in his later years, Holmes testified, but he didn't know what it was.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-james-holmes-parents-20150504-story.html Arlene's father was diagnosed with psychosis, King said, and "hospitalized after wandering his Carmel yard, naked." ... Robert's father first experienced mental illness as a West Point cadet, and his twin sister was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder and disabled for most of her life. "She takes meds," King said, "but still periodically gets bad enough to be hospitalized."

Neurohz (talk) 03:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

The article currently says psychiatrist Fenton testified that she hadn't placed him on a mental health hold "because he did not specify a target or plan". However the source given is primarily about a police officer's notes indicating that Fenton thought it wouldn't help and would only 'inflame' Holmes.[1]. Also the article currently says "The first clear piece of evidence that Holmes' thoughts about killing other people were becoming real was an online conversation [with ex-girlfriend] on 25 March, four days after he was prescribed the sertraline." however this was a reference to a 'human capital' theory which wasn't exactly 'real' and it omits to mention that prior to this Holmes had told the psychiatrist he was thinking about killing people and before that saw a clinical social worker who he had also told he was having homicidal thoughts.[2] Neurohz (talk) 14:31, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Nature of Mental Illness

It would be useful to put in a section about the nature and extent of his mental illness and interaction with mental health care providers. That is what I came looking for, and I think it is very important in understanding the person and his crimes. Hypercallipygian (talk) 20:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Strange isn't it, can you help do this? Neurohz (talk) 14:37, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Conversion to Islam?

Holmes converted to Islam.--Asmodeus Astroroth (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm commenting on this old question because this issue should be settled for once. Evidently a few sources reported on the matter, but the question remains whether there is justification to cover the story in the article. Another opinion will be welcomed here. Here's the text from the version which was deleted a few weeks ago:
The National Enquirer reported that While in prison, Holmes converted to Islam.42 In March 2013, a prison source alleged that Holmes started to pray five times a day, went on strict Muslim diet and spent hours each day studying the Qur'an, "has brainwashed himself into believing he was on his own personal jihad and that his victims were infidels".43. Shalom11111 (talk) 00:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

"I am the Joker" misquote

Holmes was constantly quoted as saying this, yet it is apparently a legend. Could we get some information about how this legend came about and why it linked the Joker to the murders in the popular conscience?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 21:17, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Here is an article that clears up the issue with information from the prosecutor, cops and the man himself

Meyer: The James Holmes “Joker” rumor

--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 21:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Also here

The Joker Didn’t Inspire the Aurora Shooter, but the Rumor Won’t Go Away

--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Why are we not talking about the fact that the supposedly reliable media that we apparently trust in other areas of the site have repeatedly misreported this? Far more so recently with the Joker movie. Or do we not talk about instances in which the media 'we' trust as a reliable source when it suits us are in fact unreliable? 2A00:23C4:1594:AA00:5D1D:83C0:E545:131E (talk) 20:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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