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Request for edit

I'd like to mention that James Cantor is also a member of the Advisory Council of Prostasia Foundation,[1] but I'm connected so there would be a conflict of interest. Can someone else verify and make this edit? Jeremy Malcolm (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://prost.asia/our-team

Reply 05-DEC-2018

  Edit request declined  

  1. Needless to say, advisory council members of that organization act as volunteers and do not vote or exercise a direct operational role.
  2. The work that an article's subject performs voluntarily is generally not required in articles. In this case, the subject's paid professional associations are listed, but any volunteer work performed without pay, whether it be serious or a hobby,[a] need not be listed, per WP:HOBBY.

Regards,  Spintendo  21:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Notes

  1. ^ The definition of volunteer work is unpaid work which a person enjoys doing and performs in their spare, free time spent away from that person's regular, paid position of employment. The definition of a hobby is unpaid work which a person enjoys doing and performs in their spare, free time spent away from that person's regular, paid position of employment. Viewed in this manner, a hobbyist and a volunteer are two sides of the same coin.

Writing this article like a fan page, promotional page, or diary

Banglange, you are clearly Starburst9 (talk · contribs). It is best that you do not deny that, since anyone with deductive abilities should be able to see that the Banglange (talk · contribs) and Starburst9 (talk · contribs) accounts are operated by the same person. I'm not sure why you are editing with a different account, and have been using it since 2015 when the Starburst9 account already existed, but you should read up on WP:SOCK and WP:Clean start.

As seen at Talk:James Cantor/Archive 1#Problems with this article and Talk:James Cantor/Archive 1#Promotional language?, there were issues with your edits to this article before, as noted by Tomwsulcer, KateWishing and myself. You are editing in the same problematic way as before. This is not a fan page, promotional page, or diary. Stop writing it like one. See WP:DIARY. And as indicated by changes I made with this edit, it did not go unnoticed by me that you snuck in a controversial "pedophilia is a sexual orientation" statement and gave the article a "pedophiles are sexual minorities" feel. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

This article (as of January 2, 2019)[2] read like a promo for Cantor, full of quotes praising him and the kind of cute detail more suited to People magazine than an encyclopedia. To quote Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Information_style_and_tone, "The tone, however, should always remain formal, impersonal, and dispassionate." Check out articles about other psychologists that have been rated WP:GA to see better models, e.g. Steven Pinker who is much more well-known, widely-quoted, and influential than Cantor but whose article is not larded with puff quotes about his influence or personality. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Transsexual bill of rights

The page where Cantor's blog included, in 2009, a "bill of transsexual rights" is now 404; the replacement link to archive also shows archive of 404 page. These opinions of Cantor do not seem particularly important or influential, however. A news search for "james cantor" + transsexual" reveals no wider interest in this opinion of his. If the "bill of rights" gets covered by some RS then it belongs in the article. Without that coverage, including it is OR. HouseOfChange (talk) 15:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

This discussion is better had without me of course, but FWIW, a working URL for my Bill of Transsexual Rights is http://www.sexologytoday.org/2012/03/a-bill-of-transsexual-right.html. It was first published in the newsletter of the LGBT division of the American Psychological Association, and then I made it available on my blog. It still gets brought up now and then, such as this podcast host asking me about it: https://player.fm/series/hidden-truth-show-with-jim-breslo/s2e22-trans-noted-univ-of-toronto-sexologist-dr-james-cantor-aap-policy-statement-on-trans-kids-is-wrong. — James Cantor (talk) 17:11, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
It would make sense for the James Cantor article to include information about the clash with AAP about their policy on trans kids, or about the controversy concerning detransition percentages. Both those topics have attracted interest from RS, so one could imagine a person reading about those controversies coming to Wikipedia to get more information about them and finding none. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, FWIW I agree. Happy to provide whatever links/RS's I can for the content you'd like, but as I say, discussion about what content to include (or not) is better had without me. — James Cantor (talk) 18:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Here are some RS that mention Cantor in connection with the controversy:[1][2][3] This Atlantic article discusses same issues, cites several experts but not Cantor.[4] HouseOfChange (talk) 03:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Connor, Kevin (January 21, 2018). "Transgenders grow out of it: Doc". Toronto Sun. Retrieved January 3, 2019. A Toronto doctor has raised eyebrows and criticism for writing most transgender-identifying children grow out of those feelings. And he says the strongest opposition is from adult transgenders intervening in the lives of children to further their own agenda.
  2. ^ Hall, Harriet (September 11, 2018). "Gender Dysphoria in Children". Science-Based Medicine. Retrieved January 3, 2019. In a recent article, James Cantor disagreed. He thought the methodologies were OK but thought it didn't matter. He said, "Even if the criticisms were valid, the studies' conclusions would remain the same." There have been 12 studies in all that followed up transgender kids to see how they felt in adulthood, and all 12 came to the same conclusion: "the majority of kids cease to feel transgender when they get older."
  3. ^ Cantor, James (December 30, 2017). "How many transgender kids grow up to stay trans?". PsyPost. Retrieved January 3, 2019. This is not a matter of scientists disagreeing with one another over relative strengths and weaknesses across a set of conflicting reports. The disagreement is not even some people advocating for one set of studies with other people advocating for different set of studies: Rather, activists are rejecting the unanimous conclusion of every single study ever conducted on the question in favour of a conclusion supported by not one.
  4. ^ [1]

RS for my blog.

FWIW, some mainstream RS's to my blog include:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/transgender-orthodoxy-kenneth-zucker-vindicated/
https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/toronto-doctor-in-trouble-for-comments-about-trans

and this submission to the U.S. Supreme Court:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-658/76790/20181219123208440_18-658%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Dr.%20Miriam%20Grossman%20et%20al..pdf

— James Cantor (talk) 17:02, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Toronto Sun article a better source for statement where citation was requested, so I added it and removed the template. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
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