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Floyd and concorde

Not having access to the reference work in question (I'm working form the Wikipedia articles for Concorde, Floyd and STAC (covered under Bristol 223) I'm still confused. The wikiarticles imply he joined H-S on the SST work in 65 by which point the Concorde prototypes were already building. But H-S were already involved in STAC in the late 50s and their work was passed over for Bristol's. Sud-Aviation showed their design at the start of the 60s. Surely Floyds involvement must have started earlier or his influence been less than implied. (copied from Avro Arrow article discussion)GraemeLeggett 11:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graeme, I have noted the reference source that fully details the involvement of Floyd in the HS SST program. The author, Randall Whitcomb recounts the post-Avro Canada years fully and devotes a great deal of his work on James Floyd. He had unique access to Floyd and his personal files. Bzuk 13:11 21 February (UTC).

Graeme,the information presented elaborates on the Hawker Siddeley Aviation (HSA) supersonic airliner studies from the Hawker Siddeley Advanced Projects Group headed by James C. Floyd post 1959. The HSA.1000 was the final submission to the Supersonic Transport Aircraft Committee (STAC) which along with the Bristol Aircraft proposal was for an advanced Mach 2.2 design. The STA dictated a joint SST feasibility study in 1959 wherein the two competing design teams could collaborate, this being the only point at which Floyd influenced the ultimate Concorde layout. The HSA.1000 had similarities to the Bristol (later BAC) studies although the HSA design had a blended wing-fuselage with underslung jet engines in nacelles situated at the rear of the wing and the Bristol design was based on a delta wing planform (with an initial above-wing engine configuration). After the Concorde contract was given to the BAC/Sud Aviation collaboration, the HSA SST team continued to develop advanced SST projects but found no interest by either European or American manufacturers with design studies concluded in 1967. I will include this information in both the Avro Arrow and James C Floyd articles. Bzuk 22:59 21 February 2007 (UTC).

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Death

James C. Floyd is dead. I can't prove it to you because the family wanted privacy and issued no public notice of his passing, so there are no sources to prove this. But it is true that he is dead, and has been dead for some time. The sources you have of his public appearances and/or mentions are all true; he died sometime after that. 209.139.228.245 (talk) 07:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you absolutely sure? Can you give me more information or some information? I understand what you're saying and I don't think it's unpossible, however, Wikipedia is based on Internet sources. However, I believe that since he is/was a remarkable person, his death wouldn't remain unreported. Perhaps some Avro page would make a relevant post. In October 2022, in a Facebook post, they wished him on his 108th birthday https://www.facebook.com/share/p/V81cJnqrCerwriug/?mibextid=oFDknk . In the Gerontology fandom, he is reported to be the oldest living man in Canada https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/James_Floyd . If there is no reliable source, we will have to wait until his supposed 110th birthday. NSD30511 (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is only this mention of his death:

https://www.facebook.com/AVROMuseum/posts/998857295577965?ref=embed_POST AJVK (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, i just updated the page! NSD30511 (talk) 15:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The post has since been updated to say it's unknown whether he's alive or not?? This is all very confusing... OrchestralHuman (talk) 02:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have contacted several authors that have written about Avro and Floyd. I asked them if they can confirm whether Jim Floyd is alive or dead. If he isn't still alive, today, on the 110th anniversary of his birth, that's a shame. His every move in the late 1950s was documented in Toronto's newspapers until he left for England in June 1959, which was also reported in a small article. If he is dead, he should have a proper memorial article in the Toronto Star or the Globe and Mail, since they covered his work at Avro. The odd thing, to me at least, is that he was reported to be alive about this time last year in a City of Mississauga communication that I'm trying to track down. They mentioned something to the effect that he was one of Canada's oldest persons and lived in a home in Mississauga.--Abebenjoe (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abebenjoe:, I looked into this the best I could. Through private correspondence I was informed he died on 9 January 2021. I believe he's dead and have seen nothing to the contrary that suggests otherwise, other than Facebook posts (that use old photos) from friends and admirers who seem to be unaware of the fact that he has died off radar. His family have acted very strange about this whole situation and don't appear willing to discuss or disclose his death (you have to ask why?). A last resort may be that we have to resort to original research, as was done with Patricia Laffan or Margie Hines by obtaining death certificates. Floyd lived in the Greater Toronto area. I am not a Canadian citizen otherwise I would get in touch with the registrar office myself and obtain the evidence. Tagging @Canadian Paul: and @Connormah: who may know more than myself about how you navigate the Canadian birth/death records. --Jkaharper (talk) 23:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in Toronto, I can have someone check the registry over the next week or two. If he's been dead for almost four years, it's weird. I know people that knew him, but haven't seen him since the start of the pandemic lockdowns. If he's dead, I know some reporters at local newspapers that could write an article that could be cited here. Abebenjoe (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Abebenjoe:, that's very helpful. It is unusual, BUT more prominent individuals have died off radar in the past (and in some instances, for longer periods of time!). It happens. 90+% of biographical subjects on Wiki receive obituaries or death notices, but some just slip through the net. Please let me know if you get any updates. Thanks again --Jkaharper (talk) 00:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jkaharper - If no obituary was published (which isn't unheard of these days, at least on an anecdotal basis), it will likely be very difficult to verify anything to WP standards. I'm not sure that you'd get too far with Ontario death records, as those are not public records until 70 years have passed. At this point, I think the only way to know for sure is if somebody does further research and verifies it for a news obituary (that is, if it's of interest to the editor in the first place), or some other biographical feature in a publication. Given how well supercentenarians are documented, however, he could probably be marked as deceased if nothing comes up. Connormah (talk) 05:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been in communication with two writers that knew him. As far as they know, he is still alive. However, they haven't seen him since the Pandemic started and they are relying on public death notices in news media to confirm he died. I'm leaning on he's still alive given that these people actually knew him, and interviewed him within the past decade. But word is out that people want to confirm he is still alive. Abebenjoe (talk) 05:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how you jump to "I'm leaning on he's still alive" from two writers who haven't seen him since the pandemic started. The pandemic started almost 5 years ago now. When it began he was already 105. The odds of a 100 year old making it to age 110 are 0.2% (and that's for BOTH genders, for men it's a lot less than that). In fact, in the entire world there are currently only 21 living men who are verified to be alive at 110+ right now – 21 out of 4 billion males. We have a contributor above (who I believe is giving us an honest account), stating he's dead. The AVRO Museum have been informed at least once in the past that he's dead. There are comments on Facebook saying he's dead. We're told his family did not want to publicly disclose his death. What part of all this has swayed you to "I'm leaning on he's still alive"? --Jkaharper (talk) 06:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jkaharperbecause I trust the sources that the two writers have than some group I never heard of. In other words, I don't trust the sources you listed. He could be dead, but both people thought it would be weird to conceal his death, and unlikely. They are in the process of determining his status. Abebenjoe (talk) 18:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is actually that none of our sources are scientific so we shouldn't really be "leaning" toward anything right now. Your attempt to rationalise his family's behaviour is not realistic – everyone copes and deals with death in different ways, and you certainly can't put everyone in the same box. The family of John Amos died not disclose his August death until October. Likewise, Jan-Michael Vincent's death went unreported for a month. Then there are scenarios where the family do not report the death at all – Golden Globe-nominated Anne Heywood died in October 2023 and her death was only reported in March 2024 because I tipped the media off about it (her family had no intention of making the death public). The statistical chance of him still being alive at 110 is very narrow. Eventually the truth will come out so let's just wait until we get something concrete. --Jkaharper (talk) 19:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]