Talk:Jamaica station/Archive 1

Archive 1

Navigation blocks

I know this is a pain, but I think the navigation blocks would make more sense if "west' were on the left and "east' on the right, so they would match a map where "north" was at the top, the standard convention.--agr 11:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. All the stations west of Jamaica are to the left and those that are to the east are on the right, and are ordered from north to south. Tinlinkin 05:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Future Infobox?

Is anybody working on a future infobox for this page? I've been considering one. ---- DanTD 20:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey!

This station is nearest JFK airport,isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fila934 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Not near enough, hence the addition of the AirTrain JFK. ----DanTD (talk) 00:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Non-platforming cars

hello!

on some 12-car rush hour trains (I notice this more on the pm rush trains), the rear 2 cars fail to platform and thus do not open at Jamaica, even though the platform is 12 cars long. can someone address this, either in the article if pertinant and prevelant enough, on or the talk page?

thanks! -ekozie [@gmail.com] (talk)< —Preceding undated comment added 22:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC).

When the platforms were built, no one had heard of 85-ft passenger cars; as it happens the 1000-ft platforms almost equal twelve 85-ft cars, but on some? all? tracks the train can't pull all the way to the end of the platform without running past its signal. Tim Zukas (talk) 15:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

That may have to do more with where the train is going. Some branches (like the Far Rockaway and Long Beach Branches) do not have any 12 car platforms (those branches have either 6, 8, or 10 car platforms). So the rear two cars for trains using lines with NO 12 car platforms are closed off to reduce confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cluefinder42 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Peak inbound schedule

I'm making this (based on the December 18, 2006 schedule) to help clarify for myself which lines trains use and how they pass through Jamaica. --NE2 21:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Time at Jamaica	To	Via	From	Via	Train number
550	Penn	Main	Wantagh	Montauk?	1099
553	Penn	Main	Huntington	Main	601
556	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	13
559	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2007
559	Flatbush	Atlantic	Far Rockaway	Atlantic	2807
611	Penn	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic	807/901
613	Penn	Main	Huntington	Main	1611/501
613	Flatbush	Atlantic	Babylon	Montauk	15
620	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2009
620	Hunterspoint	Main	Port Jefferson	Main	603
623	Penn	Main	Huntington	Main	1615
625	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	2731/17
628	Penn	Main	Far Rockaway	Atlantic?	2809
628	Flatbush	Atlantic	Hempstead	Main	711
631	Penn	Main	Farmingdale	Main	2301
634	Penn	Main	Massapequa Park	Montauk?	1001
N/A	Penn 658	Main	Speonk	Montauk? - could even use Main/Central	2733
640	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	19
643	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2099
647	Penn	Main	Oyster Bay	Main	503
647	Flatbush	Atlantic	Long Beach	Atlantic	809
650	Penn	Main	Massapequa Park	Montauk?	1003
651	Flatbush	Atlantic	Hempstead	Main	799
653	Penn	Main	Hicksville	Main	1203
655	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	25
658	Penn	Main	Huntington	Main	1617
701	Penn	Main	Port Jefferson	Main	605
704	Penn	Main	Massapequa Park	Montauk?	1005
704	Flatbush	Atlantic	Far Rockaway	Atlantic	2811
705	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2011
709	Penn	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic?	811
709	Long Island City	Main	Speonk	Montauk?	2735
N/A	Penn 730	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2013
N/A	Penn 733	Main	Lindenhurst	Montauk?	1007
710	Penn	Main	Hempstead	Main	713
710	Flatbush	Atlantic	Babylon	Montauk?	27
N/A	Penn 737	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	29
N/A	Penn 740	Main	Freeport	Montauk?	1101
718	Penn	Main	Far Rockaway	Atlantic	2813
718	Flatbush	Atlantic	Huntington	Main	1619
723	Penn	Main	Westbury	Main	2401
723	Flatbush	Atlantic	West Hempstead	Montauk	903
723	Hunterspoint	Main	Port Jefferson	Main	607
N/A	Penn 743	Main	Wantagh	Montauk?	1009
N/A	Penn 748	Main	Farmingdale	Main	2303
728	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	31
728	none??		Oyster Bay	Main	505
731	Penn	Main	Hempstead	Main	715
731	Flatbush	Atlantic	Long Beach	Atlantic	813
731	Hunterspoint	Main	Huntington	Main	1621
N/A	Penn 757	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic?	815
737	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2015
737	Flatbush	Atlantic	Massapequa Park	Montauk?	1011
741	Penn	Main	Westbury	Main	2403
741	Flatbush	Atlantic	Babylon	Montauk?	33
741	Long Island City	Main	Port Jefferson	Main	609
N/A	Penn 803	Main	Hempstead	Main	717
745	Penn	Main	Far Rockaway	Atlantic	2815
745	Flatbush	Atlantic	West Hempstead	Montauk?	905
N/A	Penn 806	Main	Central Islip	Main	2017
N/A	Penn 808	Main	Massapequa Park	Montauk?	1013
N/A	Penn 810	Main	Huntington	Main	1623
N/A	Penn 813	Main	Freeport	Montauk?	1103
753	Penn	Main	East Williston	Main	1501
753	Flatbush	Atlantic	Far Rockaway	Atlantic?	2817
N/A	Penn 816	Main	Wantagh	Montauk?	1015
N/A	Penn 817	Main	Hicksville	Main	1205
756	Flatbush	Atlantic	Ronkonkoma	Main	201/2019
N/A	Penn 819	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2021
759	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	35
759	Flatbush	Atlantic	Hempstead	Main	719
N/A	Penn 822	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic	817
801	Penn	Main	Speonk	Montauk?	2737
803	Flatbush	Atlantic	Huntington	Main	1625
N/A	Penn 825	Main	Cold Spring Harbor	Main	1627
N/A	Penn 828	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2023
806	Penn	Main	West Hempstead	Montauk	907
811	Long Island City	Montauk?	Oyster Bay	Main	507
N/A	Penn 831	Main	Merrick	Montauk?	1017
812	Penn	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic?	819
812	Flatbush	Atlantic	Hempstead	Main	721
N/A	Hunterspoint 830	Main	Port Jefferson	Main	611
815	Flatbush	Atlantic	Seaford	Montauk?	1019
N/A	Penn 837	Main	Huntington	Main	1629
N/A	Penn 840	Main	Wantagh	Montauk?	1021
819	Penn	Main	Valley Stream	Atlantic	2819
819	Long Island City	Main	Montauk	Main	2703
822	Penn	Main	Far Rockaway	Atlantic?	2821
822	Flatbush	Atlantic	Babylon	Montauk?	2761/39
825	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	43
825	Hunterspoint	Main	Port Jefferson	Main	613
828	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2025
N/A	Penn 850	Main	Freeport	Montauk?	1105
N/A	Penn 851	Main	Hempstead	Main	723
833	Penn	Main	Bethpage	Main	2309
833	Flatbush	Atlantic	Long Beach	Atlantic	821
N/A	Penn 854	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic?	823
N/A	Penn 856	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	45
838	Hunterspoint	Main	Oyster Bay	Main	509
841	Penn	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic?	825
843	Penn	Main	Far Rockaway	Atlantic?	2823
843	Flatbush	Atlantic	Ronkonkoma	Main	2031
849	Penn	Main	Huntington	Main	1631
849	Penn	Main	Freeport	Montauk?	1107
852	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	47
852	Flatbush	Atlantic	Hempstead	Main	725
853	Hunterspoint	Main	Speonk	Montauk? - could even use Main/Central	2739
856	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2033
858	Penn	Main	Far Rockaway	Atlantic	2825
858	Flatbush	Atlantic	West Hempstead	Montauk?	909
904	Penn	Main	Port Jefferson	Main	615
910	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	49
910	Flatbush	Atlantic	Long Beach	Atlantic?	827
912	Long Island City	Main	Oyster Bay	Main	511
916	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk?	2741/51
916	Flatbush	Atlantic	Hempstead	Main	727
930	Penn	Main	Babylon	Montauk	53
930	Flatbush	Atlantic	Far Rockaway	Atlantic?	2827
933	Penn	Main	Long Beach	Atlantic	829
936	Penn	Main	Ronkonkoma	Main	2035
936	Flatbush	Atlantic	Hempstead	Main	729

A few notes:

• Only one train possibly uses the Lower Montauk Branch. This one comes from the Main Line.
• Trains on the Main Line or Atlantic Branch west of Jamaica can come from any branch to the east.
• Train 505 appears to terminate at Jamaica.
• Every train that stops between Jamaica and Valley Stream uses the branch that requires no switching at Valley Interlocking. Thus the others probably use the branch guessed.
• Two trains make no stops between Jamaica and Babylon, and may use the Central Branch. Train 2703 from Montauk definitely uses the Central Branch, since it stops at Hicksville and Mineola.

--NE2 23:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how the above is useful for the Jamaica article. Maybe you should transfer it to your user space? Tinlinkin 12:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I find your schedule construction fascinating, though. :) Tinlinkin 12:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It would be useful for adding a paragraph about train paths through Jamaica - that all three lines to the east and both major lines to the west are connected. --NE2 09:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Train 507 (8:11am Jamaica Departure) now runs via the Main Line. There are no longer any revenue trains that run via the Lower Montauk branch. The LIRR has removed ASC (Automatic Train Control) on the Dutch Kills Bridge, so the LIRR cannot run any trains across that bridge anymore (thus, all revenue trains to/from LIC use the mainline west of Jamaica) Cluefinder42 (talk) 02:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Ridership figure

This 21,000 figure in the infobox is curious. The article mentions a daily 200,000 figure. The comparable figures for Amtrak stations are clearly too high for a single day.

The info boxes need to specify time figure. Are these figures for days or per year? Dogru144 (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Remnants of South Street station after grade elimination (or something else?)

As visible here: "N+73°47'56.2"W and here: "N+73°47'52.9"W, there seem to be remaining elements of what look like spurs that were pulled down in the location described for the station. If these are station elements, perhaps they ought to be included in the paragraph covering South Street? --68.233.191.250 (talk) 02:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

WOW! I never knew that these existed. I am not sure whether this related to the South Street station, but this is a great find. Thanks so much for the find. What led you to find this? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:09, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I seem to have a good eye for this stuff. Saw part of it riding back into the city, and made a mental note to check Google satellite images when I got home (like I did with Whitepot years ago). The collapsed one on the right looks like original wooden trestle too. Thing is, if this is part of the station (this is where the station is supposed to be, yes?) after grade elimination, what were the turnoffs for? Connection to trolley tracks at grade? That part puzzles me, but it's in the right spot for the station.

Hey, as it's close, take a look at the area on 158th Street between 109th-111th Avenues as well. I suspect it's what's left of a spur into a small yard at Brinkerhoff, if not a ROW along 158th. It's bracketed by some classic 1900s towers; two of which follow 158th instead of the line. Towers: [1], [2], [3]. Yard/ROW?:[4],[5]. I'd love to see an old 1900s map of this area to know for sure. It might shed light on those South Street turnoffs as well. --68.233.191.250 (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

LIRR station naming convention discussion

There is a discussion occurring regarding the naming of LIRR station articles. Please weigh in if you'd like to! Thanks! –Daybeers (talk) 06:43, 28 April 2018 (UTC)