Talk:Jörg Demus

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Should the word “lied” be changed?

From the article: “In composition and playing, he focused on chamber music and lied.” On first reading, I wondered: “What did he lie about, and how does that fit into this sentence?” Of course I quickly realised what was meant, but still... Not everyone speaks German. So should the link be written differently, perhaps “Lied” (capitalised, like in German) or“ lieder” (the German plural)? --CRConrad (talk) 07:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not every one spieks German but lied became a word of the English language, just like the Latin Requiem and the Greek symphony. Those who don't know can follow the link. "German art song" would be clumsy for those who do know who are the majority I guess. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't read the question to the end, sorry. As it is an English word, neither capitalisation nor a German plural are good, sadly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

However, I have never seen the English plural form "lieds". It's always the German form "Lieder". -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 09:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. For some reason I couldn't explain, "lieder recital" is ok for me, but "lieder" in the middle of an English sentence, no so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On the whole the lied article reads rather well, and I am comfortable with the well-sourced plural "lieder" usage in English - in the Examples section of that article for example. But the article also helpfully distinguishes between an individual work ("lied") and a genre ("the lied"). The sentence in question is identifying the two genres most associated with Demus and, for me, "he focused on chamber music and the lied" sounds just right. Davidships (talk) 01:33, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead change if it makes you happier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but as it has been edited since the original question to the plural "lieder", I'm almost as happy (though probably doesn't need italics as an adopted word in English). I was just suggesting another approach in case it found favour. Davidships (talk) 20:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]