Talk:Ivan Štironja

RfC: Montenegrin or Serbian

I noticed mixed usage of the two language templates – Template:Lang-cnr and Template:Lang-sr for Montenegro-related articles. The question is, what template should I use in this and other Montenegro-related articles when transcribing someone's or something's name to these two respective languages. The official language in Montenegro is Montenegrin language, while Serbian language is in official usage with several other languages. For example, the article about Montenegro's President Milo Đukanović uses the Montenegrin template, while an article on the country's Prime Minister Zdravko Krivokapić uses the Serbian template. Both of them are state officials, and yet there are obviously different standards. I wonder in this particular situation (and in similar cases) should I use Montenegrin or Serbian template? Thank you. --Governor Sheng (talk) 13:31, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Montenegrin and Serbian languages are in fact really similar, or to be more precise, they're the same language, the difference is that Montenegrins have a different dialect. In the case of Ivan Štironja, his ethnicity is Croatian and so you can use Croatian if you want, however, keep in mind that Roman Catholic Diocese of Kotor was written in Serbian, so again, you could also choose Serbian. Again, there are no major differences between these two languages so in the end, it's your choice what language to choose. Vacant0 (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

It looks like Milo Đukanović actually uses lang-cyrl, and Zdravko Krivokapić's article says he was born to Serb parents. The whole area of national and language identity is pretty fraught, but I'd go with whatever template most closely matches either the subject's self identified ethnic identity, or failing that, their parents ethnicity, and failing that fall back on a generic template like lang-cyrl. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC):It looks like Milo Đukanović actually uses lang-cyrl, and Zdravko Krivokapić's article says he was born to Serb parents. The whole area of national and language identity is pretty fraught, but I'd go with whatever template most closely matches either the subject's self identified ethnic identity, or failing that, their parents ethnicity, and failing that fall back on a generic template like lang-cyrl. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Or as Vacant0 says, just use whatever you want. I don't think it's that big a deal until someone makes a big deal about nationality. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

My opinion is that I should follow the official language line since it's about the Catholic Church and people not strictly involved with Montenegrin politics. I want it to be the least controversial option, if that is even possible because ex-Yugoslavia articles can become really heated about issues like that. --Governor Sheng (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's basically a minefield, and I respect that you want to have a consensus somewhere you can point to if some of the ex-Yugoslavia heat shows up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Balkans.. Just to let you know my recommendation is to use Croatian for this article, Vacant0 (talk) 17:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, the assumption should be that he speaks Montenegrin unless we can point to a source that claims he speaks another Serbo-Croatian variety. As somebody from Balkans, I would bet anything that a Croat-descended Catholic from Herzegovina would almost certainly seriously object to anyone calling the language he speaks Serbian (or even Serbo-Croatian), so I would steer clear of that. Melmann 09:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 08:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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Ivan Štironja in 2009

• ... that the new bishop of Kotor in Montenegro Ivan Štironja (pictured) speaks Swahili and served as a missionary in Tanzania? Source: "Misijsku je djelatnost obavljao u župi Kaning’ombe u biskupiji Iringi u Tanzaniji (1988.-1992.) [He worked as a missionary in the parish of Kaning'ombe in the Diocese of Iringa in Tanzania (1988-1992)" ([1])
  • ALT1:... that the new bishop of Kotor in Montenegro Ivan Štironja (pictured) originates from Herzegovina? Source: "Hercegovac i misionar iz Tanzanije biskup u zaljevu hrvatskih svetaca [A Herzegovinian and a missionary from Tanzania is the bishop in the Bay of Croatian Saints]" ([2])

5x expanded by Governor Sheng (talk). Self-nominated at 15:14, 22 May 2021 (UTC).

• Expanded 5x since May 22, long enough at over 5,000 characters. Neutral, AGF regarding no plagiarism and if hooks are cited due to language use. Both hooks are fine; I have a slight preference for hook1. No copyvios regarding image, which is used in article's infobox. QPQ not required. I corrected a couple of typos and one grammar error (contractions aren't (har-har) considered encyclopedic writing. Prose is fine for DYK, but I suggest that you use WP:GOCE or WP:PR to help you tighten up your prose. Good luck. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:34, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

• Christine (Figureskatingfan), can you please add an icon indicating where the article/nomination stands? (Icons should go at the beginning of a post.) I'm reading this and can't tell whether this is an approval or a "still needs a bit of prose work" request. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

• Oops, of course. Thanks for the nudge. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)