Talk:Ittō-ryū

Blade of the Immortal

Does a manga series belong here?
Septegram 20:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

No it does not ---> gone.Peter Rehse 04:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

When clicking Itto-ryu, one should find links leading to all articles covering topics with the name one clicked. I add a link to the manga at the top, not really belonging to the article. // habj 12:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Many short Itto-ryu pages, or one longer?

Currently only two branches of Itto ryu have articles: the senior line (whatever that means. Main branch?) Ono-ha Itto-ryu, and Hokushin Itto-ryu. The latter consistw of one average lenght and two extremely short sentences. Would it not make better sense to give each line of Itto ryu a subheading on the page on Itto-ryu in general, and let the other entries be redirects here? especially since this page currently has no content at all, and easily fools you into believing it is a disambig page. // habj 10:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the plan was to get some expansions done real soon but you are right - we can always split latter. I'll do the merging now. I dispise the one line martial arts and as a merged article - I think overall context is clearer, the potential for a B-class or Good article is definately there as opposed to subdom forever.Peter Rehse 10:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

A Itto-ryu lineage?

Hey all. The Itto-ryu is the "all-father" of several Itto-ryu schools. I was thinking that perhaps we could create some form of visual lineage chart. There are other priorities in htis article as of right now of course, but eventually I think it would make a good addition to the article. I think a lineage-chart might be of assistance to the casual reader who needs to have a broad view of the Itto-ryu schools...Actually even I wouldnt mind one of those for myself. Fred26 10:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Order

I've written most of the text on this page (Ona-ha and Mizoguchi-ha sections). It may be a while before I can fill out the rest as I've got a few other projects slated first.

I put the styles in historical order at one point which makes sense if they stay together on one page as later styles are dependent upon the ones that come before. If we separate them it doesn't matter anyway. It would be hard for me to write any more text about the Mizoguchi branch and justify its having its own page.

Right now they have been arranged in an order which is neither alphabetical, nor chronological with the newest and least practised style listed first.

A chart sounds like an alright idea to me. Are there any examples of this elsewhere in Wikipedia?

--Mateo2006 13:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I assume its my recent re-structoring of the Ryu-styles yer hinting at. For my own sake I figured it would look better in alphabetic order, but I'm easy. Ordering by size works too. Dont forget to add the original Itto-ryu in the text somewhere, eventhough it isnt practiced anymore..(I think):).

Oh, the lineage chart. I know I have seen a good example of it somewhere on Wiki but it was a long time ago. Thats why I was hoping someone else with more experience..and better memory than me might have had something in mind. I have created a small lineage chart on the Shinto Muso-ryu article ("Shinto Muso-ryu lineage to the present"), but that were fairly straight forward with only 3 lines in total. I'm not sure how to properly implement a lineage with all those Itto-ryu variations.

And last but not least, as you noticed I put in some stub-work on the various Itto-ryu as I had a source readily available. I dunt know anything beyond what I wrote though so I wont meddle with the article beyond that. :-) Fred26 16:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetical? But you've got Itto Shoden Muto-ryū before Hokushin! :) No worries. I'm just bugging you.:)

I can fill in all the lineages eventually to the size of the Mizoguchi-ha or thereabouts. Itto-ryu (which you rightly point out no longer exists) and perhaps the Ona-ha branch could be lengthened but most of the styles couldn't merit their own pages with my sources, I think. I had been thinking of putting them in chronological order though as earlier styles were studied by later founders so the narrative would be smoother that way if we keep them to one page.

How about using a lineage chart with strictly names or a line or two of content in addition to the parargraphs I fill in and keeping everything on one page? The systems are inter-related and we can ensure that everybody finds what they are looking for with 'redirects' for the names of the different 'schools', or styles, of Itto-ryu.

What do you think?--Mateo2006 01:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Too bad neither of us have any more thorough material on the Itto-ryu. The only book I got is the third Diane Skoss book with a brief overview of the systems. Fred26 08:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Well you have the best one! Here are some other sources that might interest you.

There are the tales from oral traditions in the "Lives of Famous Swordsman" or whatever its called. Draeger's "Arts and Ways" series touches upon the history of the school. Darrel Craig's book "The Heart of Kendo" talks of his involvement with Hakushin teacher. "Looking at a Far Mountain" has stuff on connections between the art and Kendo as does the kendo kata video "Sword Saints". "Japanese Swordsmanship" by Gordon Warner (Great book!) has the connections to iaido. John Stevens wrote a whole book on Tesshu called "The Sword of No-sword". (I wish his statements were more reliable, though.)

I have videos from Jap Min of Ed with the dominant teachers of the Ona-ha and Mizoguchi schools. You can get them from budovideos.com or Mugendo.--Mateo2006 15:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Name?

Why is this article not listed at Ittō-ryū? LordAmeth 19:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

It should be moved there. Bradford44 19:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

So moved. – Liveste 09:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Name capitalisation

Is there a reason why the name "Ittō-ryū" is capitalised throughout the text? The various branches are named after their founders and should remain capitalised, but if the name "Ittō-ryū" simply means "one-sword school" then shouldn't it appear as "ittō-ryū" throughout the text? Cheers. – Liveste 09:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Itto-ryu is a proper noun and refers to a specific school of sword which eventually developed branches not just any 'school of sword'. The 'one sword' component refers to a specific philosphical concept. Kenjustu should appear 'kenjutsu' as it is a generic term for swordfighting. Aikido should appear 'aikido' for the same reason but 'Shodokan Aikido' should be capitalized as it is a proper noun. Judo should appear 'judo' but 'Kodokan Judo' or 'Kosen Judo' should be capitalized. Supermarket should appear 'supermarket'. 'Frank's Supermarket' is the name of a store, chain of stores or company therefore takes on capitalization. That is my understanding of the capitalization issue.--Mateo2006 14:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I just saw WP:WPMA#Names of schools (ryū). Cheers. – Liveste 22:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Spelling conventions

We have some evidence of changes made in the article to make it conform to American spelling preferences rather than to the spelling preferences of other varieties of English. I don't think that this is necessary as all acknowledged varieties of English are considered equally valid at wiki. Any thoughts on this?--Mateo2006 14:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The rule may be seen at WP:ENGVAR. All varieties are equally valid, and usually whichever is consistently applied first takes precedence for the life of the article. Bradford44 15:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOS, including WP:ENGVAR, recommends consistent use of one spelling convention throughout an article – in this case, either American English or British English – where there are differences. Prior to wikification neither variant was predominant, so either could have been applied. Also, neither WP:WPMA nor WP:JA states a preference for either. I chose American English simply to accommodate Japanese contributors, who, in my experience, generally contribute using American English. Not the most compelling reason, but I had to choose something. Cheers. – Liveste 22:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it was consistantly Canadian English : ) ... which is somewhere in the middle anyway! I understand your thinking here. Thanks. --Mateo2006 03:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Ferox Tao ryu ?

Hey, The reference to "Ferox Tao ryu" seems extremely suspicious to me; "ferox" does not strike me as a Japanese word, and is definitely the Latin word for "fierce", and while I could be mistaken it seems to me that "tao" reflects a Chinese rather than a Japanese word. The description sounds anything but historical, and there are no citations. There are no hits on google for "Ferox Tao ryu", and I've personally never heard of any such style, despite an academic interest in kenjutsu koryu. Is this a real school, or a part of fiction, or is someone just trolling us?

    -Rob H

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2016

Add some information for the Itto Ryu page. Hope this will help people to gain more knowledge of the general Japanese Ittō-ryū system. All the information can be found on Japanese websites.

1) Kaji-ha Ittō-ryū. Kaji-ha Ittō-ryū was founded in the early Edo period by Kaji Shineimon.

2) Masaki Ittō-ryū 正木一刀流 (Also called Masaki ryū). Masaki Ittō-ryū was founded in the mid Edo period by Masaki Toshimitsu.

3) Takeuchi Ittō-ryū 竹内一刀流 (Also called Iwayama Ittō-ryū). Takeuchi Ittō-ryū was founded in the late Edo period by Iwayama Gonbei.

4) Tenshinden Ittō-ryū. Tenshinden Ittō-ryū was founded in the late Edo period by Terada Muneari.

5) Yamaguchi Ittō-ryū (Also called Yamaguchi ryū). Yamaguchi Ittō-ryū was founded in the early Edo period by Yamaguchi Bokushinsai.

6) Sekiguchi-ha Ittō-ryū. Sekiguchi-ha Ittō-ryū was founded in the early Edo period by Wada Yohei.

7) Ittō Shōden Mutō-ryū. Ittō Shōden Mutō-ryū was founded in the late Edo period by Yamaoka Tetsutaro Takayuki.

61.197.199.162 (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Topher385 (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Removal of Shinden Enshin Ittō-ryū

As it is not connected to Itto-ryu, according to the information in the section, I deleted it from this page. Maybe someone can start a seperate page for that style? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KabutoFroggy (talk • contribs) 12:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Enshin Itto Ryu is not an Itto Ryu branch, thats correct. But it has influences of Itto Ryu, as the ancestors learned Hokushin Itto Ryu and other styles as well. 95.208.225.72 (talk) 12:02, 8 April 2023 (UTC)