Talk:Italian opera/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Gasp! No mention of Giacomo Puccini.Ogg 07:35, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have now rectified the ghastly omission. Ogg 10:42, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The term "Italian Opera" refers to the language of the libretto, not the nationality of the composer. So this page needs to include information on Italian Operas written by non-Italian composers such as Mozart.

Proposed revision of this article

Provisional subheadings and content:

• Origins: (use material treated in Origins of Opera article), Florentine Camerata, Peri, Caccini
• The 17th century: describe various forms of opera: Florentine opera (Monteverdi's Orfeo); Roman opera (Landi and Rossi); Venetain opera (later Monteverdi and Cavalli); Neapolitan opera, which becomes opera seria (Scarlatti); describe the spread of Italian opera abroad.
• The 18th century:
  • Serious opera: opera seria of Handel et al.
  • Comic opera: opera buffa, Mozart and Da Ponte.
  • Gluck's reforms (inc. Traetta and Jommelli, explain why they had little lasting effect in Italy)
• The 19th century:
  • Bel canto: Rossini's domination of Europe; Bellini; Donizetti
  • Verdi
  • Other composers of the time: Ponchielli, Boito
• Puccini and verismo
• The modern era: Malipiero, Dallapiccola, the avant-garde (Nono, Berio)

--Folantin 16:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The italianmusic infobox strikes me as irrelevant. Fireplace 10:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to remove it. There are no equivalents at French opera or German opera.--Folantin 11:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Not the infoboxes again...please no...the revision plan sounds fine. Moreschi ^Talk 11:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Revision so far

Right. I've made a start on revising the 17th and 18th century sections, using the version on the Italian WP as a basis. I stole Moreschi's section about Gluck and Mozart from the main article. All this probably needs expanding (especially the 18th century - i.e. Handel and Co.). I'm not going to touch the 19th or 20th centuries because I'm no expert on them and I've noticed people round here get upset if an opera gets mischaracterised as "bel canto" or "verismo". Likewise, we probably need a section on how Mussolini's artistic policy affected Malipiero and Dallapiccola (or whatever) and something about the avant-garde (Nono,Berio). But I'll leave that to others. --Folantin 12:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

"Mozart, in many ways Gluck's successor,"

... really? Pretty sure that in his lifetime he was not thought of as such (and the times he comes closest are in The Magic Flute, which is in German). Double sharp (talk) 04:51, 17 August 2019 (UTC)