Talk:Ismail Gasprinski

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Gaspirali wasn't Azeri. And English Wikipedia article titles should not contain diacritics - or in this case be written in the Turkish alphabet. What exactly is the rationale here? Gaspirali wasn't Turkish, and would have written his name in either the arabic script or cyrillic. Sikandarji 22:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Gaspıralı was a Crimean Tatar, born in the village of Avcıköy near Bakhchisaray. And his father was born in the village of Gaspra near Yalta. The Crimean Tatar language now uses latin script. Crimean Tatar alphabet is identical to Turkish, but has two additional letters Q and Ñ. So, his name is written according to Crimean Tatar orthography.

Don Alessandro 15:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

That's wrong, I'm afraid (Oh dear, not another war). By all means give the name using modern Crimean Tatar orthography, but not in the page title. It should be moved to Ismail Gaspirali. Sikandarji 16:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hm... But why do we have Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and İsmet İnönü (not Ataturk or Inonu) for example? Or Kazan khans - their names are also given in modern Tatar latin script. Why should we use different transliterations for the language which has its own standart latin orthography?

Don Alessandro

If that's true, it's also incorrect. This is English Wikipedia after all, and names need to be given in forms which are familiar and easily searchable. It doesn't matter whether the language has its own latin orthography or not - and in this case the use is anachronistic. However I'm not going to press the point. There should at least be more redirects in place. Sikandarji 10:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It is a long standing tradition not only in the en wiki, but in the English langage in general. If somebody's native language uses latin script we spell his name in English as it is written in his native language. For example Gerhard Schröder, László Sólyom, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Milo Đukanović, Jarosław Kaczyński, etc, etc, etc. This rule is used for all languages, which use latin alphabet. Spelling of the cities' names (which we have discussed not so very long ago) is a really controversial topic, but there is no controversy with people's names.

the use is anachronistic

Maybe, but it is also a tradition. E.g. here in Russia we do not write Θедор Достоевскiй, only Фёдор Достоевский, in spite of the fact that he himself used the fiest form. Don Alessandro 09:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough - I've created a couple of redirect pages. The Wikiproject Azeri sign should go though. Sikandarji 20:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Ismail Gasprinski, per discussion. - GTBacchus^(talk) 05:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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İsmail Gaspıralı → Ismail Bey Gasprinskii – per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH

Ismail Bey Gasprinski, Ismail Gasprinski are also acceptable.

İsmail Gaspıralı is modern Turkish alternative name. It's interesting, even he had never been a citizen of the Republic of Turkey (he died in 1914), the title of this article is written in modern Turkish. In English books, Ismail Gaspirali is preferred to modern Turkish İsmail Gaspıralı, and transliterations of Гаспринский ("Gasprinski", "Gasprinskiy", "Gasprinskii" etc.) is preferred to transliterations of Гаспыралы ("Gaspıralı", "Gaspirali" etc.). Even in Crimean Tatar Wikipedia, Gasprinski (İsmäğil Gasprinski) is preferred.

• "İsmail Gaspıralı" -Llc 122, most of them are spelled as "Ismail Gaspirali", and 18 of 122 are books written in Turkish language.
• "Ismail Gasprinski" -Llc 83
• "Ismail Gasprinsky" -Llc 51
• "Ismail Gasprinskii" -Llc 57
• "Ismail Gasprinskiy" -Llc 15
• "Ismail Bey Gasprinski" -Llc 88
• "Ismail Bey Gasprinskii" -Llc 105
• "Ismail Bey Gasprinskiy" -Llc 10
• "Ismail Bey Gasprinsky" -Llc 53

-- Takabeg (talk) 18:22, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Agree. This article should be moved to Ismail Gasprinski per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH --DonaldDuck (talk) 04:11, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Name in a foreign language

Ismail was a Crimean-Tatar. In the Crimean-Tatar language his name is either İsmail Bey Gaspıralı or İsmail Gaspıralı. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.158.187.197 (talk) 22:05, 28 January 2015 (UTC)