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Scope

The scope of this article is Terrorism in the Balkans, that is, contemporary (post-war) Balkans. A search shows the prevalent use of the term — Islamist terrorism.--Zoupan 06:57, 1 April 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.[reply]

Just because it's the prevalent use of the term in the mainstream doesn't make it factually incorrect to say that other non-Islamist forms of terrorism are relevant as well, especially to Bosnia-Herzegovina and the Balkan region in general, where the Yugoslav Wars are still fresh and divisive groups still persist and thus very well is relevant. The definition of terrorism is: "the use of violence, or threatened use of violence, in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim". It is not "Islamists who use violence or threatened to use violence in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim". Bideuttar (talk) 07:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do not revert when discussion is underway. Last warning given. The scope of the article is what it is, Terrorism; events in the Yugoslav wars are irrelevant. Read Definitions of terrorism. What you are doing is Wikipedia:Content forking, copy-pasting cherry-picked massacres by Bosnian Serbs against Bosnian Muslims (?). That is not OK. I suggest you stop it. There are several articles already dealing with the war and war crimes.--Zoupan 07:35, 1 April 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.[reply]

Then title it Radical Islamist Terrorism in the Balkans, not Terrorism in the Balkans. Terrorism can refer to terrorism from many different factions, not just from Islamists. I'm "cherry-picking" massacres where tens of thousands were raped and killed, you're cherry-picking a couple deaths? And the article you shared proves my point. Bideuttar (talk) 07:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Fair enough, moving to Radical Islamism and Islamic terrorism in the Balkans.--Zoupan 07:58, 1 April 2016 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock:Ajdebre.[reply]

Bosnian and Albanian Muslims Were Supported by US / NATO forces before and During the Yugoslav Wars

The second phrase :" While there is a significant community of Muslims in the Balkans, Wahhabism only began to spread after the Yugoslav Wars " is false ! We all know that US / NATO forces have supported the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims from the very beginning of the Yugoslav Wars. Bin Laden was an US ally and received even the honorable Bosnian citizenship for his "deeds" that were cutting Serbian heads with US/NATO help. Serbian churches were burned down in Kosovo in 1999. Most of Serbian cementeries in Kosovo were destroyed BEFORE of the Yugoslav Wars - here, is the main reason for Kosovo war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.227.244.217 (talk) 13:56, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not about "terrorism", it's about alleged "Islamism" and "Islamic terrorism"

This article is not about "terrorism", as creator quite intriguingly insert in his rational under first line of this discussion, instead it's very specifically about alleged "Islamism" and "Islamic terrorism". Creator of this article also slander myriad of Bosnian resistance groups and practically entire state apparatus of Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, based on references worth thorough checking. Conveniently no body can check them using Internet, so some hard-copy doc may be necessary.--౪ • • • ౪^{• • • 99° ४} 02:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article is clearly about Islamism and Islamic terrorism. Disregard the first discussion as it is obsolete, the article has been moved. The SDA–Islamist connection is well-sourced in reliable sources. There are countless sources in the article. You may present counter-arguments supporting this "alleged Islamism and Islamic terrorism".--Zoupan 21:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.[reply]

In case you get unblocked, which I doubt, or use another IP: this is not a forum nor place where people confront in writings what they find in google.books. SDA and its "connections" are sourced with "countless" sources so it must be proven that they are guilty by association. Never mind that your "countless" sources, literally countless, won't help in masking this claptrap of an article. And as far as "reliability" of sources, well, that is quite debatable, as well as some sources which are used absolutely out of context.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 05:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are various ways in which the lack of notability in an article can be hidden

This article is a pseudo-propaganda and quasi-revisionist claptrap. Article is very close to WP:NOCITE, it doesn't follows WP:CITESTYLE, WP:NOTCASE, WP:LINKFARM, WP:NOTDIR, it cite obvious to increase reference volume to WP:MASK using WP:BIASED sources (Schindler,Bodansky,Sotirovic,Lebl,Dale,Rakic-Jurisic,Testa,Trifkovic,Trifunovic). Soon enough article gets bombarded with various sources and turns into links-repository for open access journals, mostly non peer-reviewed, to google books previews, with no concerns to WP:NOTCASE, WP:LINKFARM, WP:NOTDIR, - some respected scholars on the subject were included, as well as greater number of those from the fringes of academic research and web-based media, or simply discredited ones mentioned above. Those credible are misused & misinterpreted (Azinovic,Radeljic-Topic,Erjavec,Gerta). Issue require time and effort, but it must be dealt with.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 05:21, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Islamism and Islamic terrorism in the Balkans → Islamic extremism in the Balkans –

The article titles should be in conformity with other wikipedia pages. Jihadist extremism in the United States Islamism in the United Kingdom Islamism in the Gaza Strip Islamism and Islamic terrorism in the Balkans should either be changed or this article title should be changed. --Vimaljoseph34260 (talk) 07:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Islamic extremism in the Balkans (currently a redirect) would be an improvement. MWQs (talk) 16:55, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flagrant POV title

Islamism and Islamic terrorism? Really? Islamism doesn’t per definition entail terrorism as this article’s POV title flagrantly implies. If anything acts of terrorism are merely a subset in the character of some Islamism. Equating the two is POV. Request immediate separation of this POV fork.

POV inline

To avoid violating the three-revert rule due to a disruptive IP, I've tagged the claim that the majority of the Muslim population in Kosovo is extremist as POV. This is clearly a POV not supported by the sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 21:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]