Talk:Isabel

Isabella means Isabel?

Hi. I didn't get why there are three "Isabellas" listed here. It seems to me that this is a whole other name, despite the obvious similarity. Wouldn't it be better to create another Disambiguation page for "Isabella" and transfer those entries there? Then, to prevent any problems, we could add a "See also" section to each, directing to the other name, given the similarities. But as it stands, it leads to the conclusion that one can say "Isabel" and actually mean "Isabella", which I don't believe to be the case. I can carry out this suggested changes, unless anyone wants to object. Regards, Redux 17:30, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There are two reasons for disambiguating Isabel, Isabella, Isabelle, and other spellings on a single page: (1) The spellings are really variants of the same name (the same woman may be named "Isabel" in an English source, "Isabelle" in a French source and "Isabella" in a Spanish source); and (2) The point of a disambiguation page is to assist the reader in finding a page they are looking for. Disambiguating variant spellings on a single page helps the reader who isn't sure how to spell the name they are looking for — or who doesn't know which of the variants Wikipedia is likely to use. Gdr 15:38, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

Actually, the Spanish version would be Isabel, the English could be also Isabella, which is the Italian version, too, as well as the Scottish. French use Isabelle and Isabeau and Ysabeau. 217.140.193.123 10:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What is the origin of this name?? Where did it began to spread??

Origin of name

What is the origin of this name? Does it come from Elizabeth, is that why it is translated as such in English at times? Isabella I know is NOT a Spanish name (Isabella of Castile was Isabel of Castile in reality ['reality' is in the mind of the reader. in her _native_ language, she refers to herself as "como yo doña Ysabel, por la gracia de Dios reyna de Castilla, de León". these forced anglicizations of 'foreign' names drives me nuts. tpk (talk) 11:15, 2 September 2017 (UTC)]). It seems that the Iberian Isabel comes from the French Isabelle which may come from the Italian Isabella, but this is just a guess. (I think this soley because Isabela or Isabella aren't names in Castilian or Portuguese, but I could be wrong.) Any name historians out there?[reply]

As far as I know, Isabel is the Spanish form of Elizabeth. In Spanish, there is no final /t/, hence /t/ became /l/. (In medieval times, Elizabeth didn't have a modern English th sound). Isabella etc. are dervived from the Spanish name. Wathiik 16:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and edited the origin of the name in the article. The derivation from "Isis Bella" strikes me as a "folk etymology" of the most obvious sort. It is extremely unlikely that anyone would have used a Latin adjective (bella) to describe an Egyptian goddess (Isis). Even when Egypt was part of the Roman empire, the Romans in Egypt spoke Greek, and when speaking Greek they translated the name Isis as Aphrodite (considered to be the same goddess). (If the Egyptian Romans had spoken Latin, they would have called her Venus.) Finally, the etymological link from a presumably ancient name "Isisbella" to medieval ProvenÇal "Isabel" is all but impossible to make, whereas Hebrew Elisheva > Greek Elissabet > Latin Elisabeth > Provencal Isabel is both straightforward and well documented. A key to the chain is the influence of Arabic in southeastern Europe. Elizabeth in Arabic is Al-Isabeth, with the first syllable taken to be the Arabic article "Al." Some languages, like Spanish, tended to preserve "al" as part of the words and names derived from Arabic, but Provencal, like Italian and French, usually dropped the article (compare Sp. azucar with It. zucchero, Fr. sucre, and Eng. sugar, all from Ar. as-sukkar). The Provencal derivation of Isabel from Elisabeth, influenced by Arabic Al-Isabeth, is therefore very straightforward.

I also took the liberty of deleting an irrelevant paragraph on the name Jezebel, which (despite the similarity in sound) is completely unrelated to the name Isabel and has no business in this article. --Potosino 04:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mother nature's prized daughter?????

Honestly inserting "mother natures prized daughter " as the meaning of Isabel/Isabella/Elizabeth has to make this article the stupidest in Wikipedia. There's an abundance of websites online that give the meaning as being "God's promise" from the medieval Elisabel, from the Hebrew Elisheba. Wikis own article on the English variant "Elizabeth" even says as such, creating ludicrous discrepency between articles.

The Scottish variant Ishbael is an Anglicisation but Isabel is clearly Provencal, derived from Elisabel, not the Gaelic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.136.79.158 (talk) 14:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Elisabeth? Jezabel

Isabel is not a derivative of Elizabeth. It is a derivative of Jezabel.

 - your source?  see:

wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Elisheba & wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Isabel#Etymology tpk (talk) 11:21, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Isabel/Isabella/Isabelle

There is another page dedicate to the name variant "Isabella" and all the subjects named Isabella should probably be moved to that list. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 01:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another Izzy

"Isabel (Izzy) Ortiz Reubens is one of the most important characters in LOCAS."

2001:171B:2274:7C21:7DD1:5A4E:3876:A80B (talk) 21:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another Izzie

"StartUp (TV Series 2016–2018) Otmara Marrero as Izzy Morales."

2001:171B:2274:7C21:7DD1:5A4E:3876:A80B (talk) 21:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Split to: Isabelle

I suggest that the spelling "Isabelle" originating from French, should be a separate article, as it is French, and much like Isobel and Isabella (given name), is spelled differently from "Isabel". As "Isobel" and "Isabella" is not combined in this page, I see no need for "Isabelle" to be combined onto this page. There is sufficient content for a separate article, and its history in France is not that of the history of Isabel in England or Spain. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 04:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like it was merged because of common pronunciation in English. I think this is a general issue - the lists are somewhat long already, so splitting would probably help a bit for people who know the spelling of the person they're looking for. But for people who don't, there'd have to be some hopping around trying to find it. At the same time, they have to do that for the variant Isobel which is split out. We see some traffic for that at the clickstreams already, though it is overshadowed by other traffic. And on that note, most of the top 20 is for Isabel entries which are sorted higher than Isabelle entries. So it sounds like a good idea to experiment with. --Joy (talk) 07:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]