Talk:Irish traditional music session

2005 posts

As an Irish Musician I can tell you that the Session most certainly do not take place just in Pubs. Indeed Some (including myself) would find the term "Pub session" deragatory. If anything Pub Session should be merged into Irish traditional music session User:Urger9-19-2005

I would think that neither "Irish traditional music session" nor "Pub session" fully describes the topic. I think something like "Music session" would be most accurate. --Craig Stuntz 01:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The problem with "music session" is that outside of trad a lot of musicians seem to apply the name "session" to a _recording_ session. And I certainly don't want to see "Irish session" subsumed under a title like "jam session" which is a name we don't use.

Especially given that many or most who use the word "jam" seem to be referring to a merry game of bash away all who can and to hell with the music so long as "everyone" (with the notable exception of those boring folk who actually care that it sounds like something resembling a tune) is having "fun."

Maybe "Traditional Music Session" would be better? --Craig Stuntz 18:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Maybe. I'm not sure. The entry for "pub session" is a little confusing to me; they're talking at one point about bands, and another point it sounds as if they're talking about folk clubs or some sort of a singing session, only having instruments in use as the typical Irish singing session doesn't. I don't even feel as if I could edit it, cos I can't quite figure out what the article's driving at.

This Article does need to be renamed. Session is also used in relation to Scottish Traditional Music, which there is not an article about. Since Irish and Scottich sessions are very similar in structure they should be placed in the same article. Bagster 11:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I think these two articles should remain distinct but they need a major rewrite. The Pub session article seems to talk about the music sessions that occur (or used to occur) in public houses, with an emphasis on those in English pubs. This article probably needs to be "de-Irosised" with only a short section the Irish session and links to the this article.

Urger is right in saying that not all Irish trad sessions occur in pubs. (I don't find the term Pub Session deragatory- you need a constant supply of beverages!) The merger, if it were to occur, could not describe the Irish trad session as a Pub session, as this would be inaccurate. Afn 19:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you could just make Pub Session a variation under Irish Traditional Session. That would encompass both varieties and give the the traditional session a more common name.--PaddyM 00:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I would have thought Traditional music session would encompass all possibilities and make for the most comprehensive article. --Blisco 12:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

This article at the moment is simply an anecdotal and a highly personal musing on "Irish" sessions. This whole issue of informal music sessions needs to be sorted out. The traditional music session is NOT simply an Irish music session. This type of myopia has more to do with prejudices in popular culture than the reality of the history of informal music making.

The description as it is would do for someones home page but not in what is meant to be a type of encyclopedia. Even if just refering to the British Isles this means that the history of informal music making, the relationship between the traditions etc have to be taken into account.

Oh, and by the way, there are plenty of English music sessions as well.

Ecadre 04:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I have totally re-written the "Pub session" article to make it more multi-cultural. Ogg (talk) 11:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The article states "The Irish language word for "session" is seisiún, although this is not a true Irish word." What does this mean? Is "seisiún" merely a transliteration of "session"? It should be made more clear. dclayh (talk) 19:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

seisiún is in fact a "true Irish word". It's listed in my Irish-English dictionary (session, seisiún ceoil is a music session). I'll remove "although this is not a true Irish word" if no-one has anything against it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hohenloh (talk • contribs) 20:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"Seisiún" is a "true Irish word" in the sense that "schadenfreude" or "dojo" are "true English words." It's a loan word from English (like "craic" which is simply the English (or Scots) "crack"), which is perfectly acceptable usage in the Irish language. Using the Irish spelling when writing in English, however, is at very best a bit silly (albeit perhaps at times necessary "for the tourists" in the way that the term "Celtic music" may sometimes be).

Singing sessions, mixed sessions

Sessions in Ireland are not limited to playing tunes. There are also singing sessions and mixed sessions (mainly singing with some tunes or mainly tunes with some singing). These should be mentioned when talking about Irish sessions.

It's correct that sessions can take place anywhere, not necessarily in a pub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hohenloh (talk • contribs) 12:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Why remove the Category Irish Music from this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hohenloh (talk • contribs) 12:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)