Talk:Interstate 678

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 8, 2018.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that during the construction of New York City's Van Wyck Expressway, a four-story apartment building was placed on metal rollers and relocated away from the expressway's path?

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Mileage

The FHWA's mileage runs into JFK, either to the main interchange or just west.

JFK Expwy

I removed the part about the Van Wyck being called the JFK Expwy once inside JFK Airport. As shown by this page, http://www.panynj.gov/aviation/jgrafram.htm, and by driving the roads, the Van Wyck is separate from the JFK Expwy. Yossiea 20:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone reinserted the bit about the JFK Expwy, but as any NY'er can tell you, the Van Wyck is not the same as the JFK Expwy. If you drive on the 878, you first have a chance to exit onto the Van Wyck, and then you have a chance later on of exiting onto the JFK Expwy. The Van Wyck goes into JFK Airport, but it is not the JFK Expressway.Yossiea 13:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

I know many native New Yorker's who pronounce it "van wick"... can we get some reference to support the article's assertion? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:33, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I rode the E train on 2014-06-02, and the recorded announcement voice did pronounce it like "wick". Walidatwell (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Im deleting the reference to the pronunciation. The article is far from definitive. The article seems to lean toward proper pronunciation as Van Wike because that's how some from that family pronounce their last name. It also makes an argument that it is pronounced Van Wick. Robert Moses named the highway with the Wick pronunciation. The article even makes a reference that it could be pronounced Fon Weig.174.236.80.48 (talk) 12:13, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, what we have is a reliable source that states all the different pronunciations, so leave it be. Epic Genius (talk) ± 12:18, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If it states all of the different pronunciations then why does the article state it is pronounced Wike? The article has states there are at least three possibilities.174.236.80.48 (talk) 12:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just reviewed the latest changes you made. Thank you.174.236.80.48 (talk) 12:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then all 3 possibilities should be mentioned here. Epic Genius (talk) ± 12:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just of note, the pronunciation of Van Wike is not just because of local families, but that's the normal Dutch pronunciation, just like in Ten Eyck or Dick Van Dyck. All three should be sourced anyway.Mitch32^{(The created world is but a small parenthesis in eternity.)} 14:50, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean Dick Van Dyke? –Fredddie ™ 17:44, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, but whatever, it can already be sourced... Epic Genius (talk) ± 19:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, for some reason I thought when he was born it was "Van Dyck". Mitch32^{(The created world is but a small parenthesis in eternity.)} 04:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Outstanding citation issues

I did a sweep through the citations to clean up inconsistencies and MOS issues. There are a handful of maps lacking full citation details, specifically no |scale=, no publication |location= and no indication of what |section= and/or |inset= within the larger map is being cited. (On the last point, if the main map is being cited, and it lacks a section grid, then obviously we can't supply an in-source reference.) Another citation is missing its publication name, and a usage of {{google maps}} is missing the name of the map area being cited. (It defaults to "Interstate 678", the page title, in that case.)

These issues shouldn't hold up a GA review and promotion, but they should still be addressed promptly. Imzadi 1979 → 23:44, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Imzadi1979: I have fixed two of the citations. I was formatting these citations off of those seen in New York State Route 22, which is a featured article. These don't include scale or publication location in the Esso maps. One instance of this is the NY 22 article's citation #41, "New York with Pictorial Guide (Map). Cartography by General Drafting. Esso. 1942." It is the same as the I-678 article's citation #10, "Esso; General Drafting (1942). New York with Pictorial Guide (Map). Esso." Another featured article, New York State Route 32, includes the following as citation #24: "New York with Pictorial Guide (Map). Cartography by General Drafting. Esso. 1942."

I'm not making excuses, just pointing out that these "incomplete" citations were based off the citations within featured articles, so I don't know what I should fix. epicgenius (talk) 13:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the scale to the citations. epicgenius (talk) 15:06, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: most of NY's FAs were promoted years ago, and citation standards for maps have evolved since then, especially when {{cite map}} was updated in early 2015. In that update, for instance, the old practice of displaying the publisher up front was finally corrected to use proper author parameters and the publisher is indicated in the typical position within a citation.

Except in some usual situations, we wouldn't actually use the |cartography= parameter anymore. (M-185 (Michigan highway) cites a map where the cartographer is called out separately from the authors.) Normally on sheet maps such as those, we should have the company or companies involved in creating the map listed as authors, the year of publication, the title of the map, the scale of the map, the publication location, the publisher, any inset or section(s) being cited followed by any ID numbers like an ISBN or OCLC number. If someone searches http://www.worldcat.org/ for the maps in question, it's possible that some library has indexed them, and then we'd be able to verify the location and publisher for them and include an OCLC. At a bare minimum, the grid sections or insets need to be listed unless the map lacks both. Imzadi 1979 → 21:53, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Imzadi1979: OK, I've added the insets and OCLC numbers to all of the citations that needed them. I could not find two of these maps in the WorldCat library, so I skipped these OCLC numbers. 00:55, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Courcelles (talk · contribs) 17:59, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do this one. Courcelles (talk) 17:59, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've only driven this thing once, and once was gracious plenty, back when the bridge still had actual tollbooths.

Not much to grumble about, so I'm left with the nitpicks, I'm afraid.
" the New York Times distribution center " The is part of the official name of the newspaper.

Went ahead and fixed this one myself. Courcelles (talk) 18:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The project involved replacing a bascule bridge that had been at the location since the original parkway had opened in 1999" Reads like the parkway had only opened in 1999...
Images are all fine.
Sourcing looks solid.

Really, this is the sort of work I expect from an experienced GA writer, and it delivers. Good work. Courcelles (talk) 18:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. I fixed the part about the parkway since that was an actual typo. The parkway was built in 1939, not 1999. epicgenius (talk) 18:46, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Passing. Courcelles (talk) 18:53, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Exact end of 678 in JFK

Is it known the exact location inside the JFK facility of where 678 ends, like at the exit to/from a terminal? I look at google streetview and I can’t find a sign saying “I-678 Start” or “I-678 End” anywhere. Jason Ingtonn (talk) 23:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]