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Ringtone (song) was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 01 November 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Internet Leaks. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Skipper Dan and Disneyland

I know there's a lot of things that point to the suggestion that the singer is working at Disneyland (he lives in close proximity, and that he mentions "Adventure land" which I know is an area of Disneyland, but that's not enough to assure that it he is working at that park, by the lyrics alone. I know that if you add in the video which has mouse-earred balloons and the like the presumption can be made, but unless the lyrics specifically state this, it is original research to make that final leap of logic. Now, if there are sources that support this jump, then that's fine, but we can't make that leap. --MASEM (t) 12:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does the fact that the lyrics include parts of the script taken directly from DL's Jungle Cruise help in any way? "That's an African Bull Elephant" "It's the Back Side of Water!!", etc. MrItty (talk) 15:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite possible other jungle tours at other parks use it, so it's not a unique factor of the Disneyland attraction. I know that several blogs have pointed to the Disneyland ride, but we need an RS to do that. --MASEM (t) 15:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saying "Jungle Cruise" to me seems like a pretty specific reference to the Disney attraction, and not some generic "jungle river cruise." I would also think that "Adventureland" is a Disney-specific reference, as well as saying that the hippos have been wiggling their ears "for the last 50 years." Although it doesn't specifically mention Disneyland Park by name, it seems to be a pretty overt reference, and would be a unique factor of the Disneyland attraction. Also, as MrItty and Jasonlesliewright mentioned, the lyrics include elements pulled directly from the Jungle Cruise script, including the aforementioned "hippos wiggling their ears," and "bengal tigers can jump up to 20 feet!"

--Alyssa3467 (talk) 02:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the fact that the Music Video was commissioned and approved by Weird Al to be the official visual representation of the lyrics should be proof enough that he is referring to the Disneyland ride. If you put that with the facts that you've already mentioned (That it's in Southern California, that Adventureland is the name of a Disneyland area...the one where the Jungle Cruise is located, and the exact quotations from the Disney script are used in the lyrics).Jasonlesliewright (talk) 20:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the hippos have been wiggling their ears for 50 years. Disneyland (and the Jungle Cruise ride) opened in 1955 (that makes for 54 years - poetic license). Lastly, his official Youtube feed has "Disneyland" as a tag to the video. I think this is enough evidence, from a reliable source (Al himself) that this is indeed about the Jungle Cruise ride at Disneyland. -- Bull Wiki Winkle 02:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The video also includes lyrics in the info box, with "Jungle Cruise" properly capitalized and "Adventureland" as one word.

--Alyssa3467 (talk) 02:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not convinced save for the tag on the video. Given that "Adventureland" is also the name of a fiction theme park in the movie of the same name, there's no reason why it could be a fictional park he's talking of. The similarity in the age of the ride may be happenstance. Now, mind you, I'm 99% sure he's talking about Disneyland, but from a sourcing and research point of view, we just do not have that. I'm sure within a few days we'll have a source to confirm it though. --MASEM (t) 03:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-- At the end of the video, the kid is wearing Mickey Mouse ears —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.187.184 (talk) 06:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources: [1][2]. Generally a good idea to wait for sources, rather than writing it as OR. --JN 466 15:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Rolling Stone article asserts the video is "an animated send-up of Disney’s Jungle Cruise ride". Thus, saying its Dinseyland is no longer OR, and its fine to leave as is. --MASEM (t) 04:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5th song name

I know that weirdal.wikia.com is reporting this song is called "Ringtone" but they provide no reliable source for it, and as user-generated content, it is unreliable itself. Until we have confirmation (like we have now with "CNR", this needs to remain untitled.). --MASEM (t) 20:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We now have confirmation at Al's MySpace blog and Amazon.com Brand Eks (talk) 18:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know that the SuperNews! ad announced the song title (and the blog confirms it) and the video, but I'm not seeing it on Amazon (as to confirm if it's a parody or what). --MASEM (t) 18:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops.. on my last edit I said it was the Amazon page... it's not. It's actually the WAY wiki page ([3]), but every time they've had an image for a song before they have turned out to be true. Also, the preview on the Amazon page for the song confirms that it's a Queen style parody. Brand Eks (talk) 19:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I see it on amazon uk (not us).

However, I'm going to say that we can't clearly ID it as a Queen parody. The first half of said clip, yes, clearly is Queen (though). However, the second half doesn't - or at least, it's really far off from being Queen if its meant to be them. Given the lyrics of the clip ("everyone hates my ring tone") there is a possibility of styles that could be used here emulating many different forms of music that are often used as annoying ringtones. On the other hand, the single's cover on the Wikia page does seem to be Queen-like, but certainly not a direct parody. We can't use the Wikia itself to assert this (they're not reliable). So, like with Skipper Dan, where pretty much everyone believes it to be a Weezer style parody, we need a reliable source to assert the style here; or at least more than the 30 second clip. --MASEM (t) 19:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough... we'll find out for sure on Friday the 21st. Brand Eks (talk) 19:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like its roughly styled after Don't Stop me Now by queen. 174.3.107.124 (talk) 01:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skipper Dan style parody

According to some people who went to AlFest, Al's drummer confirmed that Skipper Dan is a style parody of Weezer: [4] Weirdojace (talk) 00:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We need a better source than a forum posts that claims X said Y, unfortunately. --MASEM (t) 00:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merging other articles

The articles for Skipper Dan, CNR, Ringtone, and possibly Craigslist all need to redirect to this page. These songs are not notable enough for their own page, and can most certainly be merged into this article. If they aren't merged soon, I will be nominating the pages for deletion. Spman (talk) 01:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Following an AfD which resulted in merge into this article, I have put a redirect on CNR and Ringtone. If anybody wants to see if there is anything in those former articles to bring over to this article, please check. Thanks. --Richhoncho (talk) 17:44, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Spman. If Craigslist isn't merged soon, we will nominate that page for deletion.--CannotCreateAccount (talk) 02:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Internet Leaks/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 12:34, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'll be review your article soon. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:34, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

The size of the cover should be reduced to at least 300x300.
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Should have caption.
Is that necessary for an album, since it's assumed that the image is of the album cover?--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I meant alt, my bad here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:21, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Who produced the album?
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"The first single released from Internet Leaks was, "Whatever You Like" a parody of T.I.'s song of the same name." → not included in here.
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Lead

The EP contains a parody of → It contains a parody of
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At the time of the release of Internet Leaks → At the time of the EP release
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a pretty weak lead to me. Misses information such as: exploration of digital distribution, a little more regarding the reviews, the compostion of the songs, the style/genre of this album ,references to the other music videos as said above.
I will work on that.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 18:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing was done regarding adding more information to the lead, also add the peak of the Chart performance. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure this is the third? It looks like the second to me! MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Fixed.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording

a means → a mean
I'm pretty sure it should be 'means', since 'a mean' is a synonym for average, whereas 'a means' is a way to accomplish something.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 18:00, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Both are correct, actually. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

later told Billboard → when?
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The single was recorded on September 26, 2008, and uploaded to digital distribution platforms on October 8, 2008 → wrong date and was first made available exclusively on iTunes for two weeks before other platforms, according to the billboard information.
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The first three sentences seem quite repetitive with the same cadence →Yankovic...Yankovic... try to variety here, improve.
I tried to cut that down some.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Backing Yankovic → Backing him
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For "Craiglist", Yankovic → For "Craiglist", the singer
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yankovic first → The artist first
I just cut down on other instances of Yankovic so as to allow this one.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
although each of the songs on Internet Leaks—sans "Ringtone", which was released the same days as Internet Leaks—had been released as singles preceding the release of the EP. → although each song on Internet Leaks but "Ringtone", which was released the same days as Internet Leaks, had been made available as singles preceding the release of the EP.
Changed with slight modification.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
re-released → included
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Composition

No need for such big images, thump size would be more than enough.
I dropped their size.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Due to celerity with which Yankovic → Due to the celebrity with which Yankovic? I have no clue what you are trying to say here...
'the' was missing before celerity.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As such, the song explicitly references the Great Recession, which occurred in 2009. → The song explicitly references the Great Recession, which occurred in 2009.
Done.--17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Following "Whatever You Like", Yankovic released "Craigslist" on June 16, 2009. → reference?
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Skipper Dan", a style parody of Weezer, was released on July 14, 2009. → as a Single? + reference.
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
pen the song" → cute but not very encyclopedic
Changed.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
after he and his family went on the Disneyland Jungle Cruise ride → after going on a ride on the Disneyland Jungle Cruise with his family; link Disneyland Jungle Cruise
Changed.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
'Well, here's a song right here.'" → "Well, here's a song right here."" Not on given source.
Whoops! Wrong AV Club source.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On August 4, 2009, Yankovic released "CNR" → Same as previous
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
with Rolling Stone specifically noting the influence of the 2007 single "Icky Thump" → you also quote Billboard, which is it gonna be?
Billboard is there supporting that it's a White Stripes spoof, and the RS source is the one specifically picking out a song.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The final single, "Ringtone", released on August 25, 2009. → One more time
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Music videos

The first video released was for "Craiglist", directed by Liam Lynch. → The first music video released was for the track "Craiglist", directed by Liam Lynch.
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Be aware of the ridirct of the "green screen".
As long as it leads to where it needs to go, I don't see the issue, but I explicitly linked it to "Chroma key".--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Directed and created by is totally different a director might not create and in the former case he directed and animated, which is different.
OK.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In early August of the same year, a video for "CNR", created by JibJab, was released that animated the song using JibJab employees as actors against a green screen, interspersed with shots of Yankovic and Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz performing on a White Stripes-inspired red-and-white set, dressed as Jack White and Meg White, respectively → In early August of the same year, a video for "CNR", directed and animated by JibJab, was released. The animation used JibJab employees as actors against a green screen. It was interspersed with shots of Yankovic and Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz performing on a White Stripes-inspired red-and-white set, dressed as Jack White and Meg White, respectively.
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
created by SuperNews! → needless to say
I changed to 'animated'.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lastly, → Finally,
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
the video was released in 2011 → being released in 2011 and was included on...
I just rewrote it in a different way.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Reception

The songs on the EP were largely favorably received. → The songs on the EP were favorably received.
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"highlight" → use your own words
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yankovic leaving the shackles of parody behind, and simply crafting funny, memorable tunes, free of shtick or a sell-by date"; Wild also positively complimented the song's darker nature → this quote is quite long use your own words in between
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Matt Wild felt that the parody was "funny and pointed" → from which publication?
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You go back and forth with the reviews, they should be sequential.
I've ordered them in terms of topic discussed. It starts off with a generic discussion of the EP, and the moves to what particular critics say about certain things.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On December 2, 2009, the EP was nominated for Grammy Award for Best Comedy Album for the 52nd Grammy Awards → The record was nominated for Best Comedy Album at the 52nd Annual Grammy Awards.
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Track listing

The following is adapted from the iTunes version of the album, as well as the liner notes from Alpocalypse → Is there any diference?If not you can leave the former reference.
It's not really needed, so I just removed it.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You need them, just use the one that has the credits as well. See below the reason. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:32, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Use the Itunes metadata its better because Apocalypse has more engineers and other writers, but I only need those who did those songs. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it for the personnel but not the track listing, since that one isn't necessary.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

References

Rolling Stone reference #14 redirects to the main site.
Should be fixed now.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
PopCrush is not a reliable source.
Removed.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I advise you to archive every source (the ones which are not).
Good idea. Shall get to that.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WeirdAl.com. → WeirdAl official website
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only wikilink the articles once → Billboard is two times
Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You can link JibJab, despite that being a blog, not sure how reliable it is.
Done. It's also the official production blog, so I assume it's OK.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The A.V. Club and its publisher is linked twice, no need for that. The same goes for Rolling Stone. Be aware of Billboard references, some mess with the names, publisher, issues on A.V. Club. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, I fixed the first for you, do the same for the others. No double links, no publishers unless you choose to add publishers to all of them, work is mandatory and no double links. These are the main problems, see Billboard, A.V. Club and Wordpress references. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Overall GA review

I know the album charted but I see no evidence of such.
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No credits or personal section? I know that Yankovic does a lot, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't master or mixes his own songs.
Added.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I need a reference for that kind of information. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On hold for seven days, good luck. Ping me when you are done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:42, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioSoulTruthFan: I believe that I have changed and/or responded to all the things that you suggested.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Gen. Quon: There are some issues left that I have raised meanwhile and some that have yet to be addressed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioSoulTruthFan: Sorry about those minor issues. How about now?--Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:37, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Gen. Quon: Some of them are still there. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioSoulTruthFan: OK, how about now?--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:54, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Gen. Quon: you missed a section. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Is the reference formatting section the only one left? If so, I think I have done what you want (although I will point out that per the GA requirements, they do not have to be perfect).--Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:25, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just asked for consistency. Now passing. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:54, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]